Dutch Blackberry PGP network busted about 20,000 users

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Police say it was a criminal network, used by criminals for criminal business.

Blackberry devices cost $1,500 per piece and you could only PGP text messaging with it. Mike was removed.

Moreover Dutch TV News (NIEUWSUUR) said that the Police could also decrypt the millions of messages on the busted servers in Canada and The Netherlands, strange because when PGP has been implemented properly the 20,000 private keys are only on the devices not on the servers. Could be bluff.



#bigbrothheriswatchingyou cannot think there must be total awareness / total control, because this would destroy doing business completely and mission critical info could easily fall in the wrong hands, could be sold to the highest bidder by police moles, secret service moles or mole cells (the secret service mafia inside the secret service, even unknown to decent hardworking honest secret service employees)



(NB: capo-di-tutti-capi is mafia godfather)

Lets for argument sake say, that the Dutch Police could indeed decrypt the millions of messages send in this PGP network, then the text messages are not worth anything as evidence in court, who says that rival cyber criminals, or police or secret services mole cells or the alleged (this PGP network) criminals it self did not tamper with the evidence on behave of the highest bidder?

The Blackberry devices seem to be save for man-on-client malware, that means that #bigbrotheriswatchingyou cannot look over you shoulder as it were while your typing the message (which is not yet encrypted).

PS: I don't think that all this PGP network users are criminals, could also be honest business men that do not want that competitors know of their mission critical info

a reply to: galien8

This was your response when someone asked you for sources when you showed the same capo di tuti in that other thread

Its an hypothesis inspired by dream theme anagrams.

I wont bother even trying to understand your premise, because you would then respond with your other famous insight

because we suffer overpopulation, all major problems in the world are overpopulation problems.

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originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight

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I actually know a lot of drug dealers use blaxkberry.

a reply to: galien8

originally posted by: wizdumb1986
I actually know a lot of drug dealers use blaxkberry.

a reply to: galien8

Obama had blackberry as president

Blackberry were very much in the news as they claimed that they couldn't get the messages off the server then it seemed to go quiet which normally means someones worked out a way of getting the system to turn up the goods.

Like most encryption system trust is the hardest part to get so that when you encrypt a message only that person can decrypt it without loads of effort, man in the middle attacks are quite common especially as all it requires is a bit of setup and then the server can automate the rest of it so its bob thinking he's sending it to alice but someone else is decrtypting it and then sending a copy to whoever and then using what alice thinks is the right key the message and it can be automated, theres a truth that if you have a method of getting keys to the other person without them getting intercepted you might as well use that as your message medium.

Remote protocols are built in to pretty much every device for connectivity to even occur...

What does such a thing mean? An agency can view anything remotely on any device as if they were themselves the user in real time; even take screen shots using the remote protocols.

If the device manufacturer is compliant with authorities; something typically required in standard regulation legalise such as FCC non interference for even things such as spark plugs having to be compliant.

There is no such thing as non hackible; even data that has been purged or erased is typically still there... when the manufacturer themselves are compliant? No hacking is even required no matter what encryption hexkey protocols used.

Older devices are even funnier than current ones; the same sort of thing was going on pre major cell network days around the Pager.

If it is electronic? It can be seen even if not connected to the internet via the wifi function? You are still connected to the internet. Such devices are only not connected when the battery is out; however the CMOS battery is enough power to pop a signal to give the devices location for 3 to 5 years unplugged.

It isn't some "game" of staying ahead of being watched; it's honestly staying ahead of the game of those hacking for nefarious purposes; aka to steal your identity, intellectual property etc. the authorities are not after such things; however if you are a suspect they will screw your system up just as bad as any hacker might.

Best to be on the up and up; online and off.

originally posted by: Maxatoria

...Like most encryption system trust is the hardest part to get so that when you encrypt a message only that person can decrypt it without loads of effort, man in the middle attacks are quite common especially as all it requires is a bit of setup and then the server can automate the rest of it so its bob thinking he's sending it to alice but someone else is decrtypting it...

Actually you say that PGP (AES) 2048 bit or maybe even (very much) higher is not secure enough against man-in-the-middle? I think that to crack 2048 bit PGP in a couple of minutes would require the whole computing capacity of the internet

originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness

What does such a thing mean? An agency can view anything remotely on any device as if they were themselves the user in real time; even take screen shots using the remote protocols.

these blackberries could have been made with no software viruses or hardware viruses, no intended software day zero exploits or intended hardware day zero exploits (at least yet unknown).

Could be that there was no man-on-client possible (which would be ideal) unless you have a CCTV around to spy on you

a reply to: galien8

No one really cares what you do online unless it is some illegal activity from you or someone else doing illegal activity... except maybe a spouse or loved one may care as far as infidelity and trust goes...

There are those looking for statistics in marketing... those are typically just cookie related; however certificates allow such compliation for research purposes such as the Hellenistic and or Thawte certs. No one says you have to allow any of those certs many of them are outdated and allow exploits into root access.

Make sure your BIOS is up to date; encrypted and password protected to help avoid undermining the root protocols that take place before booting into the OS as not doing so can allow a device to be cloned.

I get hacked on all the time; for nefarious purposes, from cloned phones, to identity and even bank theft from my account. It can take awhile for the proper authorities to realize it is not you so they will start to hack and screw your stuff up just as bad if not worse.

It was a real nuisance at first, but I have work arounds to avoid intellectual property from being stolen.

The current best defence for those not so internet savy(basically without a degree in it) is to just stay offline or not use it for personal business you want to keep your intellectual and financial safe always look for the HTTP protocol in the address bar, and for certs at the bottom of the page for keeping things secure, take screen shots and print them for a record of transactions etc.

I could go into more detail; but for those wishing to remain hidden online for purposes with ill intent? Regardless if they believe it ill or not? I will not go into such things.

originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
a reply to: galien8

Make sure your BIOS is up to date; encrypted and password protected to help avoid undermining the root protocols that take place before booting into the OS as not doing so can allow a device to be cloned.

Good idea, but I got 7 year old PC cannot update / upgrade BIOS anymore (no software), but I did set strong passwords for user and admin, should I reflash BIOS (like format it and rebuild to get rid of rootkit viruses) if this was possible?

a reply to: galien8

Just take the CMOS battery out(looks like a large watch battery sometimes in green shrink tubing) and cross the jumpers to flash it or leave the CMOS battery out for two or three days as power drains out of the capacitors, keep it off line while reinstalling the updated bios also make sure the check all of that stuff before install, then put the new OS etc on... linux is a nice choice for older machines ARCH is a pretty stable build.

Of course format the drive before reinstallations. You should be alright for an average user; if you have things you want to protect from theft then a good firewall with solid IP tables.

originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
a reply to: galien8

Of course format the drive before reinstallations. You should be alright for an average user; if you have things you want to protect from theft then a good firewall with solid IP tables.

Some in the Debian LINUX forum say there is not enough spare memory space in BIOS for a nice rootkit keylogger virus, it would need software in the BIOS to be online, so I thought hackers cannot do very much virus wise with the BIOS?

originally posted by: galien8

originally posted by: Maxatoria

...Like most encryption system trust is the hardest part to get so that when you encrypt a message only that person can decrypt it without loads of effort, man in the middle attacks are quite common especially as all it requires is a bit of setup and then the server can automate the rest of it so its bob thinking he's sending it to alice but someone else is decrtypting it...

Actually you say that PGP (AES) 2048 bit or maybe even (very much) higher is not secure enough against man-in-the-middle? I think that to crack 2048 bit PGP in a couple of minutes would require the whole computing capacity of the internet

You have a trust issue with this sort of thing, unless you exchange keys physically and are able to be sure who you are dealing with then then you hit a problem as who you think you are talking to is a NSA etc box which just decodes and stores the message before re-coding it for the final stretch of the journey..The initial key transfer is the problem to create that trust.

It doesn't matter how good the encryption method is if someone else who is not supposed to know the decryption method has the relevant keys.

originally posted by: Maxatoria

originally posted by: galien8

originally posted by: Maxatoria

...Like most encryption system trust is the hardest part to get so that when you encrypt a message only that person can decrypt it without loads of effort, man in the middle attacks are quite common especially as all it requires is a bit of setup and then the server can automate the rest of it so its bob thinking he's sending it to alice but someone else is decrtypting it...

Actually you say that PGP (AES) 2048 bit or maybe even (very much) higher is not secure enough against man-in-the-middle? I think that to crack 2048 bit PGP in a couple of minutes would require the whole computing capacity of the internet

It doesn't matter how good the encryption method is if someone else who is not supposed to know the decryption method has the relevant keys.

You mean that for example the NSA is already in your device (man-on-client) so they will have your private key? Well yeah then everything is lost, mole cells within the NSA will sell your mission critical info on the market to the highest bidder by stealing candy from a baby and rip off money from a beggar "well I'm only 6 months old " "I made a bad investment " "Well we put a Google 10 million servers data center on your single IPAD "

a reply to: galien8

160k of memory can hold a whole volume of enclopedia's in text form. It was a jawdropper back in the 80's with those 5.25" floppies... just how many lines of code do you think that would amount to?

originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
a reply to: galien8

160k of memory can hold a whole volume of enclopedia's in text form. It was a jawdropper back in the 80's with those 5.25" floppies... just how many lines of code do you think that would amount to?

OK but how much does the genuine intended BIOS software use itself? Because my BIOS does a lot of things Clock, Boot Order, settings for Hard Disks ...