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One more week to March 18 Medjugorje date: true or false, in the 100th Fatima anniversary

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posted on Mar, 11 2017 @ 05:09 AM
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There are several major apparitions that have their milestone dates. Having Fatima as the biggest and fully approved one, there is the 100th anniversary that should see the prophecy fulfilled (Benedict, Malachi Martin, Amorth, Neues Europa version).

Therefore, the other newer apparitions that do not enjoy the same level of recognition, should either fulfill or FAIL. I am not willing to play dice with my life expectations anymore. Either Virgin Mary indeed appeared, and that is proved by prophetic fulfillment of particular apparition, OR it is a false apparition of someone else, not of Virgin Mary.

Medjugorje major date is March 18 according to the seer Mirjana Soldo. She never said a year, but failing to fulfill this year would mean Medjugorje is in controversy with Fatima. Until March 18 I will wait for Medjugorje secrets at least to start with the first one. After March 18 I will not wait anymore that apparition. 35 years are pretty much enough.

Similarly, next comes Garabandal. The only possible date for the predicted Miracle in 2017 is April 13, with preceding Great Warning. Let say Great Warning should happen at least 8+8 days before the Miracle (Miracle to be announced 8 days in advance). So if we have non-fulfillment of the Great Warning by let say, April 1st at last, I rule out any further fulfillment of Garabandal sequence before the Chastisement.

The Chastisement itself is predicted by many more apparitions, and also by Fatima and Akita, the two officially recognized ones by the Catholic Church. However, the Chastisement is said to be conditional, depending on the conversion of the world. It is unlikely to consider today's world "converted to God" but it is God who judges not we. If the Chastisement of fire fail to fulfill by 13 October 2017, and instead the world proceeds into an Era of Peace, my conclusion will be, Fatima is over too with a peaceful solution. I strongly tend to believe that a short but intense purge by fire will happen before that. It needs only hours or days.

How do you see the fulfillment of the major prophecies in 20-21 century? You may add the Jewish expectations of the Messiah to come in year 5776-5777 (2016-2017) at the end of the 10th jubilee or 50th anniversary of liberation of Jerusalem.
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posted on Mar, 11 2017 @ 05:18 AM
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a reply to: 2012newstart

Nope, apparently March 15 is the date..

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You doom porners need to coordinate yourselves better



posted on Mar, 11 2017 @ 05:20 AM
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a reply to: 2012newstart

To be honest , who cares.... it's all BS now 1300 years later.

Hey, lets honour and praise todays problems with the world, thats a great idea.

Sorry, just my 2 cents, religion means nothing to me.

If history repeats itself, judging by looking out my window, there are a certain few that seem to want o take us back to 700 A.D.

Why celebrate hysteria and fiction.

We need to collectively move on as one, for the good of the whole human race, regardless of colour.
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posted on Mar, 11 2017 @ 05:23 AM
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Chadwickus cracked me up. Replied to 2 diff doom porners to help em coordinate



posted on Mar, 11 2017 @ 05:24 AM
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a reply to: Chadwickus


Beware the ides of March then ... ?



posted on Mar, 11 2017 @ 05:29 AM
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a reply to: Timely

Beware doom porners.



posted on Mar, 11 2017 @ 05:49 AM
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Bya reply to: Chadwickus

They have a veritable smorgasboard of picks !

Doom Porner's F T W .... !



posted on Mar, 11 2017 @ 06:08 AM
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I hope you make the difference in my words: I said that I would expect Medjugorje UNTIL March 18, after which I will conclude it is not coming from Virgin Mary. The same will happen to Garabandal after April 13 or even before that. Those two are the biggest apparitions since Fatima that have at least partial recognition among millions of faithful Catholics.

(Akita set aside being the major apparition after Fatima that is approved, 1973)

Why is it so important? Because those two apparitions give Additional events to happen shortly Before the Chastisement.

If they fail, it remains to expect the Fire Chastisement directly without any precondition. In fact, neither Fatima nor Akita give precondition events. They only set the condition of repentance without clarifying to expect any Great Warning... So that may happen in the course of this year at latest, according to numerous Fatima dignitaries listed above.

Or,... we simply double cross most /all of the contemporary seers and expect strictly what is found in the Bible.

Here is another Jewish prophecy interpretation based on Daniel. It accepts "Time, times and half time" as time=700 years, therefore arriving to 2017 www.breakingisraelnews.com... At least the Jewish interpretations are based on the Bible and not so much on contemporary seers.

The Catholics must switch their clocks to God's clock that was and is Israel. If they want to remain relevant. I want to remain relevant in my expectations in my lifespan, according to God's plan not human. Regardless of how many failures of seers we witness. There were a dozen or more who failed in year 2000. Including pope John Paul II who believed Fatima is over, and his spiritual adviser on prophecies and locutionist himself Fr Stefano Gobi. Let say it clear, the Catholic Church FAILED to guess correctly about Year 2000, with the following terrorist wave and war on terror, economic crises and so on, not the least the spiritual wandering. Because if you listened to the words of now saint John Paul in 1990s it seemed the world was just few years from God's kingdom to finally arrive. He was wrong. Let say it loudly. In both his prophetic expectations and his pastoral preaching. I don't want to repeat the mistake to blindly believe INTERPRETATIONS even by saintly popes, while denying the REALITY.

If the reality shows other interpretations are more fit to the prophecies in the Bible and to the SANE REASON, I tend to accept them as true.

One week more, and we will know whether the believed by tens of Millions catholics Medjugorje apparitions are worth of it, after 35 years promises and messages, and changed personal lifestyles because of them. Several more weeks, and we will know of Garabandal whether it was worth of decades expectation of the so called Great Warning. Yes all of them preach love and pray, so following them one cannot do anything wrong in that...or does he? I don't have the answer now. I will have it on March 18 and respectively on April 13. It will be a spiritual storm to crossover the two biggest apparitions since Fatima that shaped the mindsets of hundred millions over time. I still hope some start of promised events will happen by then, for the sake of the credibility of those seers who seem to be all honest in their reporting of Blessed Virgin appearances. if not...
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posted on Mar, 11 2017 @ 06:49 AM
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If we have 10 secrets in Medjugorje, with 9th and 10th grave planetary events, that would coincide with the chastisement.
1,2 with the events around the Great Warning in Garabandal, and the 3rd Great sign to coincide with the Miracle in Garabandal.
IF all that is correct sequence of events, how could we have the Chastisement accomplished and era of peace arrived by October 2017? The only possibility for the Miracle in Garabandal is in April (some say also May). And Medjugorje seer Mirjana very clearly indicated the importance of March 18. After the Chastisement? it is not serious such interpretation. Indeed that exists online with some catholics expecting the events to unfold in the next 200 years...obviously nothing within the current human lifespan.

Having in mind all the Jewish prophecies on the other hand, and the length of the Last Generation 70 years, we have to conclude the Biblical expectations of the Jews (our older brothers in faith, ref. John Paul II) are about to occur within months not years. If that coincides with the above described Catholic PRIVATE Revelations, good for them. But if it does not...I am not going to wait another 40 years or so to prove what is correct and what is not. I'm going to live the life the way it is presented to us by God who after all created it and ALLOWED it to occur. That is a big point for consideration by those leaders of all churches, who want to stay tune to God's prophetic clock that may or may not be exactly theirs.



posted on Mar, 11 2017 @ 07:22 AM
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a reply to: 2012newstart

I'm not a big believer in any of these prophecies, though Fatima has always intrigued me as "maybe something."

I might have just not understood or missed it, but was there a reason for your personal "expiration dates" of these prophecies, or you've just had enough of waiting, and so you're closing the book on them if they don't take effect by your chosen date?



posted on Mar, 11 2017 @ 08:36 AM
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a reply to: Chadwickus

LOL,that was a good one,couldn't of summed it up better myself



posted on Mar, 11 2017 @ 08:39 AM
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a reply to: dogstar23

As I said in the OP, several prominent figures said Fatima is about to fulfill by its 100th anniversary. They are:

1. pope Benedict,

2. Malachi Martin, ex-jesuit who have read the Fatima secret given to him by the jesuit cardinal Bea,

3. fr Gabrielle Amorth, the late top Vatican exorcist (he gave a date in 2015)

4. the version of third secret known as Neues Europa published first in the german magazine Neues Europa, with the endorsement of then chief of congregation of doctrine of faith (holy office) cardinal Ottaviani. The text was then reprinted by the French Le Monde, saying it was handed to both Khrushchev and Kennedy. Finally reprinted by the Vatican newspaper Osservatore Romano in 1978 in the interregnum between John Paul I death and the election of John Paul II, by no one else but mgr Corrado Balducci the first to speak openly of ET beings... Neues Europa should be read in entirety, it cannot be retold by few paragraphs. It says, at the second half of twentieth century. being a copy not identical with the original, according to cardinal Ottaviani, but close enough, one may speculate the original third secret has said a DATE and not half century period of time, that was exchanged in the published version to the vague expression.

Now we know, because of the other three witnesses, and because of the fact the event didn't happen by year 2000, that the event was scheduled for one century after the apparitions in 1917.

Back to your question: Medjugorje and Garabandal, and as many other apparitions, cannot fulfill after the dramatic cataclysmic chastisement of Fatima scheduled for the end of the century 2017. They should precede it, should they have additional pre-events to happen first, such as Great Warning. or they have been cancelled by God who is omnipotent, since they are not found literally in the Bible texts. Or those apparitions were simply not authentic appearances of Virgin Mary. I don't know the answer. So the clock is ticking, not my personal clock but the one set forth by the above described events.
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posted on Mar, 11 2017 @ 08:52 AM
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a reply to: dogstar23

I will post the version of the Fatima 3rd secret known as Neues Europa. If That is going to happen in 2017, how much time we need for all the rest 8-9 secrets in Medjugorje, or the Great Warning and Miracle in Garabandal. We will be left with few months may be weeks after the public knowledge of imminent event, if at all. If there is going to be a rescue, as reportedly Mirjana of Medjugorje tells that Our Lady came to save the world, it needs time. It will be a big setback for those apparitions if they fail to materialize decades old promises of some change or Warning etc as I speak above.

the "extract" of the Third Secret of Fatima that was published by Neues Europa:

"It was the thirteenth of October, 1917. On that day, the Holy Virgin appeared for the last time to the little visionaries, Jacinta, Francisco, and Lucy, at the end of a series of six apparitions in all. After the manifestation of the miracle of the sun at Fatima, the Mother of God revealed a special secret message to Lucy, in which She particularly stated:

"‘Don’t worry, dear child. I am the Mother of God speaking to you and begging you to proclaim in My name the following message to the entire world. In doing this, you will meet great hostility. But be steadfast in the Faith and you will overcome this hostility. Listen, and note well what I say to you: Men must become better. They must implore the remission of the sins which they have committed, and will continue to commit. You ask Me for a miraculous sign so that all may understand the words in which, through you, I address mankind. This miracle which you have just seen was the great miracle of the sun! Everyone has seen it – believers and unbelievers, country and city dwellers, scholars and journalists, laymen and priests. And now, announce this in My name:

"‘A great punishment shall come to all mankind, not today as yet, nor even tomorrow, but in the second half of the 20th Century. What I have already made known at La Salette through the children Melanie and Maximin, I repeat today before you. Mankind has not developed as God expected. Mankind has gone astray and has trampled underfoot the gifts which were given it. There is no order in anything. Even in the highest positions, it is satan who governs and decides how affairs are to be conducted. He will even know how to find his way to the highest positions in the Church. He will succeed in sowing confusion in the minds of the great scientists who invent arms, with which half of humanity can be destroyed in a few minutes. If mankind does not refrain from wrongdoing and be converted, I shall be forced to let fall My Son’s arm. If those at the top, in the world and in the Church, do not oppose these ways, it is I who shall do so, and I shall pray God My Father to visit His justice on mankind.

"‘There will also come a time of the hardest trials for the Church. Cardinals will be against Cardinals and bishops against bishops. Satan will put himself in their midst. In Rome, also, there will be big changes. What is rotten will fall, and what will fall must not be maintained. The Church will be darkened and the world plunged into confusion.

"‘God will punish men still more powerfully and harshly than He did by means of the Flood, and the great and powerful will perish just as much as the small and the weak.

"‘The greatest World War will happen in the second half of the 20th Century. Then fire and smoke will fall from the sky, and the waters of the oceans will be turned to steam, hurling their foam towards the sky; and all that is standing will be cast down. Millions and millions of men will lose their lives from one hour to the next, and those who remain living will envy those who are dead. There will be tribulation as far as the eye can see, and misery all over the earth and desolation in every country.

"‘The time is continually approaching, the abyss is growing wider, and there is no end in sight. The good will die with the wicked, the big with the small, the princes of the Church with their subjects. Satan’s henchmen will then be the only sovereigns on earth.

"‘This will be a time which neither king nor emperor, Cardinal nor bishop expects, but it will come, nevertheless, in accordance with My Father’s plan to punish and take vengeance. Later, however, when those who survive all this are still alive, God and His glory will once more be invoked, and He will once more be served as He was, not so long ago, when the world had not yet become corrupted.

"‘I call on all true imitators of My Son, Jesus Christ, all true Christians and apostles of the latter days! The time of times is coming and the end of everything, if mankind is not converted, and if this conversion does not come from above, from the leaders of the world and the leaders of the Church. But woe! Woe if this conversion does not come about, and if all remains as it is, nay, if all becomes even worse!

"‘Go, My child and proclaim this! I shall always remain by your side to help you.’"



posted on Mar, 11 2017 @ 08:58 AM
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If that text is not frightening enough, Malachi Martin has said in Coast to Coast AM in 1997 that the real third secret is even worse. Neues Europa version does not contain its main element! In the same interview he said there won't be another 20 years until its fulfillment. That makes 2017.
www.youtube.com...
I think it is this interview, however he gave interviews to Art Bell in 1996 and 1998 his last one.
The only thing that I have doubt is not his honesty rather the amount of info given to him by his superiors who apparently knew very well he was going to make it public.
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posted on Mar, 11 2017 @ 08:59 AM
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a reply to: 2012newstart

As a former Roman Catholic, I just want to know why, if Mary is so compassionate, she is not revealing these secrets to everyone? Why keep the world in ignorance? Let us know and let us know how to help.

I know, I know, faith. We are supposed to believe first, then all will be revealed.

But verily I say unto you that any nurse in any hospital on any given day is doing more good for more people than a Fatima secret.



posted on Mar, 11 2017 @ 09:06 AM
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a reply to: katfish

you will be even more disappointed if you are practicing catholic now. The secret should have been released by 1960 or the death of Lucia whichever comes first. However repeatedly the popes refused to release it. Malachi Martin says more. Virgin Mary didn't want it to be secret after 1960, the popes did. They frankly Disobeyed the heaven's call on several points. That's why we are where we are now in 2017.

I agree about the nurses too. The seer Conchita of Garabandal became a nurse in USA. I will be very sorry of Garabandal fails by April 2017 to materialize because there isn't another possible date according to its own sequence. We will have Chastisement directly, possibly with short period of last time effort to save people. Whether it would be days, weeks or months, I just don't know. With every next month the possibility of several months long rescue (by spaceships, underground, or whatever) becomes less and less likely.

Or did God cancel all the punishment? Well...I don't believe so. He didn't cancel the Flood when announced it to Noah 40 years in advance.
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posted on Mar, 11 2017 @ 09:16 AM
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a reply to: 2012newstart

After seeing such profound corruption by the Church, it was hard to continue practicing there. I 100% agree with you. I knew the secrets were supposed to be revealed and I clearly remember my grandmother weeping because the Church refused to do so. She was wondering what could be so awful that the Church was shielding people from it?

If we pause and think about war, disease, pollution, casual violence, well, it seems to stem from a lack of compassion and care. Mary was right that people need to be more spiritual.



posted on Mar, 11 2017 @ 09:17 AM
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a reply to: 2012newstart

By the way, I never heard of Garabandal before today so thank you. I am passing that info to others who are similarly interested.



posted on Mar, 11 2017 @ 11:00 AM
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You may see something yet.
Wasn't the message to the children something to do with Russia?



posted on Mar, 11 2017 @ 11:31 AM
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originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: dogstar23

"‘There will also come a time of the hardest trials for the Church. Cardinals will be against Cardinals and bishops against bishops. Satan will put himself in their midst. In Rome, also, there will be big changes. What is rotten will fall, and what will fall must not be maintained. The Church will be darkened and the world plunged into confusion.


Very interesting. Could the news in this other thread be a sign?

12 Liberal cardinals want the Pope to resign:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I remember reading a lengthy book about the third secret "conspiracy" from a site secretstillhidden dot com.

I think there's a lot more behind the whole Fatima affair that has been hidden from us.

Of all the prophetic apparition stories, this one is the most intriguing simply due to the amount of fogging of information by the church.




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