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Report: 15 Million People Will Lose Health Coverage Under GOP Repeal Bill

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posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 06:39 PM
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All the bickering aside, can anyone here actually argue FOR this change using facts and logic?

I can't see anything positive about continuing to have a middle man between us and our healthcare.




posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 08:12 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan


Well I hear about some really good practical ideas. Heard one today. Lady said its way cheaper for the state to step in and help really sick folks rather than make everyone pay very high rates. SO could we say that just pure greed drives most of the formation of any health care bill.

And something is not only wrong with the health care system for this or that reason........but something is very F-ed up about rates going up for many beyond reality......like 20% of income gross! Something very f'in wrong with that and one can tell if they have been listening closely over the years. The last folks ANYONE wants to talk about are the saps bolstering the system with high rates. Why? They just don't want you to know that YOU ARE THE ONE paying for the health care wet dream.



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 08:39 PM
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a reply to: CB328

You know poor people all qualify for medicaid. You people act like we don't have a healthcare system in place for the poor.



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 08:44 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

No. There is no good reason for it whether we are talking insurance -or- government, but people will not allow us to go without both for reasons of fear (you can't afford it!) and reasons of power (it removes their control) and for reason of greed (a lot people top to bottom are employed doing it on both sides of the middleman issue).

I'd really like to go with no insurance.

Thanks to Obamacare though there are a growing number of practices that were operating on a monthly payment service. Pay your membership to the clinic and all your basic care was covered. Usually they were doing it for between $60 and $100 a month.



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 08:45 PM
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a reply to: Logarock

My premium went from 219 a month for my family to 535 a month. Along with greatly diminished coverage and an increased copay and deductible.



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 08:50 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

So then you think that poor people deserve to die because they can't afford healthcare?
Poor people go to the ER all the time. Ambulances come over the border w women to have babies....so stop the bs. The hospitals wnd up picking up the tab. Health insurance barely pays for anything anyway.
Just curious as to how you reconcile your much-vaunted Christian ethics with not giving a crap about your fellow Americans who are in need of proper heath care? It's certainly a personal choice...other countries prove it can be done.
Who said I don't care? I just don't subscribe to socialism or communism . But of course here you are doing the typical guilt trip. When are you going to tell
Me you are ready to pick up the tab for 22 million illegals?
I am supporting our government in our refugee program, and I am supporting it on the ground as well. As to your 22 million illegals...they seem to be supporting your agricultural industry. Tough to reconcile, eh
. No it's not tough to reconcile. Will you take the 22 million illegals and pay for them with your taxes? Because you know they get paid under the table them send their money home to wherever they came from. Absorb them and then tell me I'm selfish and don't care. The Democrats want them to be eligible for the ACA too.
And that's your rationale for no universal health care for your fellow Americans? You funny!



posted on Mar, 13 2017 @ 09:01 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
All the bickering aside, can anyone here actually argue FOR this change using facts and logic?

I can't see anything positive about continuing to have a middle man between us and our healthcare.
Yes. You nailed it. Remove the insurance companies, and you have universal health care for your people. Big Health will squawk. That doesn't have to make you sad. Good luck, America deserves it.



posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 09:23 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: mymymy
a reply to: ColdWisdom




Quit relying on the government to survive.


Then never, ever ask any of these people to defend this country


No one does. It's why we have a volunteer military, and the draft hasn't been activated in decades.


Sorry for the late reply, I don't frequent this site like I used to,

but yes you do, the majority of people who enlist in the military are people you would gladly kick to the curb if they hadn't joined, i.e., poor people. No one anymore, and I mean NO ONE joins out of any nationalistic pride or patriotism anymore, they join because they are expected to, or they want something out of it.



posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 09:52 PM
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a reply to: amfirst1




You know poor people all qualify for medicaid.


no they don't...
I went close to a year with absolutely no income after my husband passed. no income, no dependents, no mental illness, no medicaid...
sorry, you are wrong!
don't believe me? check it out yourself...

www.coverva.org...##



posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 10:04 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

You are correct. Here's a map of the states that have "Enhanced/Expanded" Medicaid under ObamaCare.

www.advisory.com...

Virginia is not one of them. If it was, you would have Medicaid health coverage for yourself, DawnStar.



edit on 3/18/2017 by carewemust because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 10:25 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

even before obamacare though, there seemed to be alot of people trying to say that the poor's healthcare was taken care of by medicaid, it wasn't true then either.
so many offended that a little bit of their money might actually be used to help a poorer person keep on living, keep on getting up every day and go to work, keep on taking care of their families the best they can...
well, they should try keeping on living, keeping on working, keeping on taking care of their family, keeping on paying more and more taxes of all kinds "to help cover the medicaid expenses", while their own health needs go left untreated to the point where they can no longer work, the only source of income they have dies, and they are left with nothing, and virtually no gov't program willing to help them out. then they can come back to me and tell me how unjust it is for that little bit of their money is taken from them to help keep a kid healthy so they aren't speading disease to everyone's else's kids in school!



posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 10:29 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan


Remember Enron and false demand?

That's one positive if you're a rich inside trader part of the Republican Cabal.

If you actually need healthcare, nothing written was to benefit you.
edit on 18-3-2017 by MacK80 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 18 2017 @ 11:28 PM
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originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: Southern Guardian


How elitist of you. Those folks struggling must be government bums right? This is the talking point many on the right fall back on when they run out of defence.


Yea, I'm so elitist that I haven't had health insurance since I was 22, I'm 28 now. Fortunately for me I'm healthy and only get sick maybe twice a year.

And if I wasn't so lucky to be in good health, I wouldn't think it to be a safe strategy to bet on the federal government to keep me on life support.

At some point you have to take responsibility for yourself, or at least strive to.


Your heathy but you get sick 2 times a year? Wow I must be some superhuman freak. Ive probably been sick 4 times in the last 20 years. Well sick enough to go to the hospital. Common colds don't count. Sorry just thinking out loud.



posted on Mar, 19 2017 @ 12:29 AM
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a reply to: Jahari

Why don't colds count? Is there something wrong with getting medicine when you're ill, but it's not something serious?



posted on Mar, 19 2017 @ 12:33 AM
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originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Jahari

Why don't colds count? Is there something wrong with getting medicine when you're ill, but it's not something serious?


Well for one you can go to Walgreens for a cold. No need to go to the doctors cause you got the sniffles.



posted on Mar, 19 2017 @ 12:57 AM
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a reply to: dawnstar

DawnStar, your personal experience is why I'm against having each state determine who is eligible for Medicaid and the allocation/administration of Medicaid dollars, received from Washington, D.C..

Right now, in states that opted in to ObamaCare's Medicaid Expansion, the Federal Government is paying 100% of Medicaid medical bills. This provides great consistency. With the American Health Care Act, the $$$ will be sent to each state..who will determine how to spend it. (warning..warning..warning!)

It perplexes me why only 31 states chose to opt-in to this program. For the governor of your state of Virginia (or any other state), to not accept this Federal gift is perplexing. Particularly since individuals and businesses in all 50 states are funding the big Federal Medicaid pool. The funding drops to 90% in 2020, but that's not a big deal for most states. (An exception is my state of Illinois. It's FLAT BROKE.)



posted on Mar, 19 2017 @ 01:16 AM
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originally posted by: Jahari
Well for one you can go to Walgreens for a cold. No need to go to the doctors cause you got the sniffles.


OTC medications are expensive, and rarely strong enough to help.



posted on Mar, 19 2017 @ 01:20 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

They did it because they're playing politics, it was just a way to make the current system not work. Purposefully reduce the quality of life of the citizens, in order to score political points against the other party.

It's one of the reasons I have major trouble trusting the states to do anything. They've proven so incompetent that they can't even pay medical bills... and that's really only the tip of the iceberg. Like you mentioned Illinois is a good example of severe mismanagement, so bad they bankrupted a state lottery. The states can and will screw up anything... the feds atleast get enough oversight that they don't screw up everything, only many things.



posted on Mar, 19 2017 @ 01:30 AM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Jahari
Well for one you can go to Walgreens for a cold. No need to go to the doctors cause you got the sniffles.


OTC medications are expensive, and rarely strong enough to help.


We are talking about a cold bro. Lol Just take a nap. Man/woman up! At this point I'm sorry I even made the comment. It was just something that stuck out to me. A healthy person doesn't get sick twice a year. Imo of course. My apologies. Don't want to get the thread off topic. I for one am a vet so to most in here im mooching off the government and taking money out of their pockets. Again, my apologies for that as well. I really should have thought thru taking my oath and fighting for the freedom that allows us to spend our time debating about the issue being discussed in this thread.



posted on Mar, 19 2017 @ 01:32 AM
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a reply to: Jahari

Good thing everybody is healthy.
Right?




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