Report: 15 Million People Will Lose Health Coverage Under GOP Repeal Bill

a reply to: Aazadan

That's not 100% true. Some would go to the ER for every little sniffle and when they couldn't pay either the hospital had to eat the cost or the government (read: taxpayers) would pick up the tab.

You would think that the people against the ACA would be happy that they now only have to help pay for a portion of a person's premium. Instead it sounds like they would rather go back to a system where they have to pay completely for a person's much more expensive hospital bill.

And let's not get started on the people who argue that ER wait lines would be exceedingly long under a single payer system. Do they not remember the wait times pre-ACA?

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Yeah.. I can understand the ultra-conservatives being against the AHCA. But Liberal Progressives should embrace it with both arms.

Go uninsured until you need it...get the coverage...big medical treatment... cancel the plan. Do it multiple times a year if you want to. That's a DREAM COME TRUE for those who wanted Single-Payer! geeesh.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Obamacare didn't make it better. It made it worse for all of us. Plus penaltues. I understand the penalties and taxes are going away. But Progressives never saw a tax they didn't like. After all it's on the Communist Manifesto.

So how would you pay for a health care system that incorporates Christian principals of taking care of one's fellow man? Buttons?

There are actually some Christian organizations which pool resources. But whoever said it was the obligation of government to take care of and provide these things? That is the nanny state which is not the vision the Founding Fathers had for a free society. It's ok for Canada though 😌

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
So how would you pay for a health care system that incorporates Christian principals of taking care of one's fellow man? Buttons?

The ACA actually created that very thing. They're called health care co-op's. A basic analogy would be, if insurance companies are banks, then these are credit unions. They were designed for the people who were opposed to paying for certain things in the ACA. These existed prior to the ACA as well, but it brought them mainstream as an alternative insurance. One that you can hear advertisements for all the time on the radio is mychristiancare.org...

Basically, it's groups who share costs, and have a small administrative overhead. They've been very popular with Christians who don't want to cover abortion or certain birth control.

But at the end of the day, they're still private insurance, they don't reach out and try to cover others... 100% pay to play, just as Jesus intended.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Those of us who are poor would like the government to provide these things.

Is it right, ok, or fair that one person will live 25 years longer than another due to something like being an investment banker rather than a cashier?

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Obamacare didn't make it better. It made it worse for all of us. Plus penaltues. I understand the penalties and taxes are going away. But Progressives never saw a tax they didn't like. After all it's on the Communist Manifesto.

So how would you pay for a health care system that incorporates Christian principals of taking care of one's fellow man? Buttons?

There are actually some Christian organizations which pool resources. But whoever said it was the obligation of government to take care of and provide these things? That is the nanny state which is not the vision the Founding Fathers had for a free society. It's ok for Canada though 😌

Actually, it's just jim-#ing-dandio for Canada and the rest of the civilised world. You might wanna try it. It's not the nanny state...it's the will of the people.

a reply to: Aazadan

The Affordable Care Act (ObamaCare) created 23 Government Administered Co-ops in 23 states, to appease the Progressive Left Wing of the Democratic party. They wanted a "public option", so ObamaCare funded 23 of these experiments.

They ceremoniously opened their doors to the public in 2013. At the end of 2016, only 6 of the 23 were left. The other 17 had either declared bankruptcy/insolvency, or have been shut down by state regulators to protect patients, due to imminent bankruptcy.

The few that are left are switching from non-profit, to for-profit, or finding other creative ways to stay in business as long as possible.

Story: www.washingtonpost.com... 63a0b8

a reply to: Southern Guardian

My son's insurance carrier pulled out of Florida and discontinued his coverage Dec 31st, 2016. Dont give me that crap about the new repeal and replace will make me loose coverage because I already have before Trump took office.

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Those of us who are poor would like the government to provide these things.

Is it right, ok, or fair that one person will live 25 years longer than another due to something like being an investment banker rather than a cashier?

Do you get that the govt is we the people who are the taxpayers? How fair is it that some people must pay for others ? It isn't fair and it's not even spiritually right. But go ahead with your idea that some big govt had endless means to buy you everything you need. Leeching from the rich is just Marxist ideology and not rooted in spiritual reality. That is the meaning of socialism...some people pay for everybody else. It depends on the capitalist system to maintain its leechinese. Full on communism would be everybody working the mines and the labor camps . Which one sound more fun to you? This also why Bernie Sanders appeal to so many college kids ....free stuff that other people pay for. It's so not what Jesus taught. Then we have people from
All over the world coming here to get free stuff. The entitlement class votes Democrat.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Obamacare didn't make it better. It made it worse for all of us. Plus penaltues. I understand the penalties and taxes are going away. But Progressives never saw a tax they didn't like. After all it's on the Communist Manifesto.

So how would you pay for a health care system that incorporates Christian principals of taking care of one's fellow man? Buttons?

There are actually some Christian organizations which pool resources. But whoever said it was the obligation of government to take care of and provide these things? That is the nanny state which is not the vision the Founding Fathers had for a free society. It's ok for Canada though 😌

Actually, it's just jim-#ing-dandio for Canada and the rest of the civilised world. You might wanna try it. It's not the nanny state...it's the will of the people.

I understand some of the illegals are coming your way.... enjoy paying up for their entitlements

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

So then you think that poor people deserve to die because they can't afford healthcare?

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
The entitlement class votes Democrat.

"The Entitlement Class"...now there's a heck of a boogeyman, especially from one who seems to espouse something that they consider Christianity. So...that includes vets, pensioners and other such leeches? And universal health care...something every other country in the civilised world considers an individual right? You funny!

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Obamacare didn't make it better. It made it worse for all of us. Plus penaltues. I understand the penalties and taxes are going away. But Progressives never saw a tax they didn't like. After all it's on the Communist Manifesto.

So how would you pay for a health care system that incorporates Christian principals of taking care of one's fellow man? Buttons?

There are actually some Christian organizations which pool resources. But whoever said it was the obligation of government to take care of and provide these things? That is the nanny state which is not the vision the Founding Fathers had for a free society. It's ok for Canada though 😌

Actually, it's just jim-#ing-dandio for Canada and the rest of the civilised world. You might wanna try it. It's not the nanny state...it's the will of the people.

I understand some of the illegals are coming your way.... enjoy paying up for their entitlements

Thanks for the heads-up, but we're on it. It's just the Christian thing to do, eh?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

So then you think that poor people deserve to die because they can't afford healthcare?

Yeah, that's the problem right? I'm a big proponent of the "anyone can become rich or successful and pull themselves out of poverty" mantra. Having said that, I was also poor and unable to afford healthcare at several different times. Most of us have gone through that or have family that has.

So if someone finds themselves unable to afford healthcare and they get cancer or get his by a car, through no fault of their own, do they then die or go banktrupt and lose everything?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

So then you think that poor people deserve to die because they can't afford healthcare?

Poor people go to the ER all the time. Ambulances come over the border w women to have babies....so stop the bs. The hospitals wnd up picking up the tab. Health insurance barely pays for anything anyway.jesus was NOT I repeat NOT a socialist. He told his disciples the poor ye shall have with you always. He did not instruct them to pay for everyone's stuff.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

So then you think that poor people deserve to die because they can't afford healthcare?

Poor people go to the ER all the time. Ambulances come over the border w women to have babies....so stop the bs. The hospitals wnd up picking up the tab. Health insurance barely pays for anything anyway.

Just curious as to how you reconcile your much-vaunted Christian ethics with not giving a crap about your fellow Americans who are in need of proper heath care? It's certainly a personal choice...other countries prove it can be done.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

So then you think that poor people deserve to die because they can't afford healthcare?

Poor people go to the ER all the time. Ambulances come over the border w women to have babies....so stop the bs. The hospitals wnd up picking up the tab. Health insurance barely pays for anything anyway.

Just curious as to how you reconcile your much-vaunted Christian ethics with not giving a crap about your fellow Americans who are in need of proper heath care? It's certainly a personal choice...other countries prove it can be done.

Who said I don't care? I just don't subscribe to socialism or communism . But of course here you are doing the typical guilt trip. When are you going to tell
Me you are ready to pick up the tab for 22 million illegals?
But you know Johnny that's not all that's wrong with socialist healthcare. When I have more time we can talk

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

So then you think that poor people deserve to die because they can't afford healthcare?

Poor people go to the ER all the time. Ambulances come over the border w women to have babies....so stop the bs. The hospitals wnd up picking up the tab. Health insurance barely pays for anything anyway.

Just curious as to how you reconcile your much-vaunted Christian ethics with not giving a crap about your fellow Americans who are in need of proper heath care? It's certainly a personal choice...other countries prove it can be done.

Who said I don't care? I just don't subscribe to socialism or communism . But of course here you are doing the typical guilt trip. When are you going to tell
Me you are ready to pick up the tab for 22 million illegals?

I am supporting our government in our refugee program, and I am supporting it on the ground as well. As to your 22 million illegals...they seem to be supporting your agricultural industry. Tough to reconcile, eh?

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

So then you think that poor people deserve to die because they can't afford healthcare?

Poor people go to the ER all the time. Ambulances come over the border w women to have babies....so stop the bs. The hospitals wnd up picking up the tab. Health insurance barely pays for anything anyway.

Just curious as to how you reconcile your much-vaunted Christian ethics with not giving a crap about your fellow Americans who are in need of proper heath care? It's certainly a personal choice...other countries prove it can be done.

Who said I don't care? I just don't subscribe to socialism or communism . But of course here you are doing the typical guilt trip. When are you going to tell
Me you are ready to pick up the tab for 22 million illegals?

I am supporting our government in our refugee program, and I am supporting it on the ground as well. As to your 22 million illegals...they seem to be supporting your agricultural industry. Tough to reconcile, eh

. No it's not tough to reconcile. Will you take the 22 million illegals and pay for them with your taxes? Because you know they get paid under the table them send their money home to wherever they came from. Absorb them and then tell me I'm selfish and don't care. The Democrats want them to be eligible for the ACA too.

24 Million People Stand To Lose Insurance Under GOP Obamacare ‘Replacement’


According to the CBO, the congressional budget office.

Its actually worst than 15 million!

www.huffingtonpost.com...

The Republican plan to repeal and “replace” the Affordable Care Act would increase the number of Americans without health coverage by 24 million and reduce the federal budget deficit by $337 billion by 2026, according to a Congressional Budget Office and Joint Committee on Taxation report published MondayText

The CBO report says 10's of millions will lose coverage
www.thedailybeast.com...

Donald Trump’s Big Health-Care Lie Puts Barack Obama’s Weak One To Shame

It has to say: 14 million more uninsured by 2018. That’s a year and change! Fourteen million people thrown back to the wolves. And more—another 7 million by 2020, and another 3 million by 2024, making for a grand total of 24 million people who currently have health coverage thrown off the rolls as a direct result of this bill, the Republican “replacement” bill.

We all knew this would be the case.

We tried to warn the people but they wouldn't listen that Trump was a carnival barking confidence man and liar

But what does the CBO say TRyancare will accomplish on the premium front? It projects increases in 2018 and 2019 of about 15 or 20 percent higher than under Obamacare