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I was in Palmdale and the Chem-trail pollution was off the charts

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posted on Mar, 19 2017 @ 03:25 AM
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originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: turbonium1

Contrary to what you apparently believe, flying from point A to point B in a straight line is NOT the most efficient way to get somewhere. The most efficient way to get there is to fly the great circle route. That means when flying to Beijing, you fly up the West Coast of the US, circle under Alaska, down the West Coast of Russia, and into China. It does NOT mean flying straight out over the Pacific, over Hawaii, to China. If they flew that route, they WOULD need more fuel.



I never said they all fly in a straight line. I said they fly from Point A to Point B, and no flight paths would go over the city I live in, whether it's a straight line, or a great circle. That's the problem here.


Is there websites or software where you can track all the commercial traffic?
I remember seeing something like that, anyone have a link?




posted on Mar, 19 2017 @ 03:25 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1

Yes they would. Depending on where they originate from they're going to go over just about everywhere.



posted on Mar, 19 2017 @ 03:26 AM
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a reply to: D8Tee

Flightradar24 has a mobile app that uses the phone camera to identify aircraft overhead.



posted on Mar, 19 2017 @ 03:27 AM
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a reply to: D8TeeThere are several.
But here is something that is pretty cool.



posted on Mar, 19 2017 @ 03:29 AM
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a reply to: Phage

There's another fun one that I'll find later that shows them crossing the Atlantic.



posted on Mar, 19 2017 @ 03:48 AM
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a reply to: Phage

Looks like a swarm of insects.

I also found this.

www.flightradar24.com...



posted on Mar, 19 2017 @ 09:47 AM
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originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: turbonium1

Contrary to what you apparently believe, flying from point A to point B in a straight line is NOT the most efficient way to get somewhere. The most efficient way to get there is to fly the great circle route. That means when flying to Beijing, you fly up the West Coast of the US, circle under Alaska, down the West Coast of Russia, and into China. It does NOT mean flying straight out over the Pacific, over Hawaii, to China. If they flew that route, they WOULD need more fuel.



I never said they all fly in a straight line. I said they fly from Point A to Point B, and no flight paths would go over the city I live in, whether it's a straight line, or a great circle. That's the problem here.

Flight vectors are over almost every place in the entire United States.

The map below shows the air vectors. These "roads" in the air can each be a few miles wide (i.e., accommodating several "lanes" for planes). Plus, at the height a plane flies, it could be seen flying over a spot on the ground up to 50 miles away from the observer.



skyvector.com...,-98.43310546770081&chart=304&zoom=10
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posted on Mar, 19 2017 @ 09:55 AM
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originally posted by: turbonium1
So many planes keep on flying above every major city around the world, day after day, while each and every one of these planes always leaves a contrail, simply doesn't wash.

You cannot remove the environmental factors required, which aren't present each and every day, around the world, right?

You have another excuse, which is engines make the contrails now, in most any type of environment...


Of course, no proof for this claim, to excuse it all away..


Planes would not be flying in every direction, going nowhere,

Some of these planes are going directly west, to the vast Pacific Ocean...!!

Where could these planes possibly land, is the real question...

They are flying over an international airport, but none of them need more fuel in crossing the Pacific!

Why are the planes above the city, all the time? No reason, flying over cities is just for fun!!


If you re-read your post here, it seems an awful lot like you just are missing some key pieces of information here and you fill that in with paranoia. If you do the due diligence and investigate the questions you brought up in your post, you will find answers that show you nothing nefarious is happening.

And for you I will re-iterate a guarantee I offered before, wherever you see persistent trails, the conditions for those trails to exist are perfect for those trails in the sky they exist in, guaranteed. If you have trails, and can prove the conditions aren't favorable for trails to form, at the exact altitude the trails exist, then you would have the proverbial smoking gun. And if you study a bit, you can learn how to check those facts for yourself.
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posted on Mar, 20 2017 @ 07:44 PM
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a reply to: anonentity

This guys explains Chem vs. Con!




posted on Mar, 20 2017 @ 08:14 PM
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a reply to: fema1

Can we get a summary, please?



posted on Mar, 20 2017 @ 08:45 PM
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originally posted by: fema1
a reply to: anonentity

This guys explains Chem vs. Con!


Wait -- is he implying that clouds are scientifically impossible, too?

Around the 6:00 mark, he tries to explain how contrails cannot stretch across the horizon and spread because contrails are condensation, and condensation cannot last a long time in warm atmosphere (emphasis on "tries", because he doesn't give any evidence, but rather simply makes an unsubstantiated statement).

Well, that's kind of a silly argument, since clouds are condensation (visible droplets of water condensed out of the invisible water vapor in the air) and clouds can certainly last for a long time. Furthermore, almost all contrails happen at 30,000 feet and above, at which the atmosphere is very cold (about -40 degrees F). At that temperature, the invisible gaseous water vapor that condenses to forms visible ice crystal contrails -- just like cirrus clouds, which can last for hours, are ice crystals condensed out of the air.

So how does his silly and illogical statement that "condensation cannot possibly last that long" explain clouds? Unless of course he thinks clouds do not exist.


Fema1 -- Instead of blindly believing everything you read or hear on the internet (even the stuff I said above), please take some time to actually try to understand what the person is saying to confirm that it makes scientific sense.


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posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 05:14 PM
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originally posted by: turbonium1

I never said they all fly in a straight line. I said they fly from Point A to Point B, and no flight paths would go over the city I live in, whether it's a straight line, or a great circle. That's the problem here.


Really? So prove it then and name the city. Do you really understand the air picture in your region?

www.flightradar24.com...

planefinder.net...

Use the playback in the above flight tracking links and study the data.

Or use the apps and monitor the air picture while you are outdoors.

play.google.com...

itunes.apple.com...

Also take into consideration just how far away a contrail can be seen.

contrailscience.com...


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posted on Mar, 25 2017 @ 02:56 AM
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originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: turbonium1

Contrary to what you apparently believe, flying from point A to point B in a straight line is NOT the most efficient way to get somewhere. The most efficient way to get there is to fly the great circle route. That means when flying to Beijing, you fly up the West Coast of the US, circle under Alaska, down the West Coast of Russia, and into China. It does NOT mean flying straight out over the Pacific, over Hawaii, to China. If they flew that route, they WOULD need more fuel.



I never said they all fly in a straight line. I said they fly from Point A to Point B, and no flight paths would go over the city I live in, whether it's a straight line, or a great circle. That's the problem here.

Flight vectors are over almost every place in the entire United States.

The map below shows the air vectors. These "roads" in the air can each be a few miles wide (i.e., accommodating several "lanes" for planes). Plus, at the height a plane flies, it could be seen flying over a spot on the ground up to 50 miles away from the observer.



skyvector.com...,-98.43310546770081&chart=304&zoom=10


This 'map' of lines 'blanketing' America.... good one!

Flight paths don't cover our skies like a blanket, as you would know.... right??...

So this 'map' is not to any scale, or depict specific flight paths of actual planes....

They cannot show actual routes of planes, on such a map.


Nonsense.


How about Seattle, WA, or Vancouver, BC ...

These cities edge the Pacific Ocean.

Both cities have international airports, and others for domestic flights, exclusively.

A flight to Asia will not go over these two cities enroute, because it would be completely off any of the flight paths, if starting from anywhere else.



posted on Mar, 25 2017 @ 04:23 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1

Wrong again. Flights out of LA, San Francisco, San Diego, Las Vegas, Dallas going to anywhere in Asia will go over both those cities. They all go up to just south of Alaska before turning west and heading down along the Russian coastline and heading into Asia.



posted on Mar, 25 2017 @ 06:35 AM
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a reply to: turbonium1

This was taken from the main FAA radar screen, in July 2006,when air traffic was down.



Air traffic covers the skies whether you realize it or not. An average day over the US, counting all aviation classes, sees somewhere around 90,000 flights a day. Worldwide, there are somewhere between 130,000 and 150,000 commercial flights every day.



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