Trump Cuts EPA Funding: Unable to Cope, TOP EPA OFFICIAL RESIGNS

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: xuenchen

EPA employees were protesting outside their Chicago headquarters last week, due to a projected 27% funding cut for this region.

When asked why they think they're so critical, the explanation was how a tank car jumped the track, and spilled chemicals. They had to clean it up.

I don't think a few less people working at their office will adversely affect cleanup efforts, when the occasional derailment occurs. When something bigger happens, the government can use a private company.

Those jerks don't clean up crap because they always contract that work out.

that official should have stayed and FOUGHT

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: xuenchen

That is an ironic statement, given that the EPA protects actual swamps and such from those who would like to dump pollutants in them, perform hydraulic fracturing in them, and for that matter other terrains and natural places to boot.

But who cares right? Drain the swamp! Remove the fat cats and the corporate shills (and replace them with oil billionaires and their lackeys).

I despair at your utter witlessness in this matter xuenchen. I swear I used to believe you had functioning synapses at one stage, but I suppose thats the scientific method for you. Better observation will sometimes lead one to have to change ones understanding of events.

Don't be ridiculous, they're losing funding, doesn't mean the agency is being written off.

EIGHT billion? Yeah, the EPA can effectively do their job with a much reduced budget. President Trump ran a campaign with much less money and got results, the same method will be applied.

I rather see that money go to NASA.

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: GuidedKill
Drain that EPA swamp!!! they are about worthless....

Meanwhile in EPA free China

Ahh a conservative utopia..almost no regulations whatsoever.

That is a tragedy of the commons problem aka socialism and communism.

In a strong private property rights government the factories would be lawsuited en masse.

originally posted by: jellyrev

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: GuidedKill
Drain that EPA swamp!!! they are about worthless....

Meanwhile in EPA free China

Ahh a conservative utopia..almost no regulations whatsoever.

That is a tragedy of the commons problem aka socialism and communism.

I don't think democrats have ever heard of the Tragedy of the Commons, or the Free Rider problem, if they had, they wouldn't be democrats. I studied economics and poli-sci in college, these concepts are what turned me from an Obama-supporting democrat to a libertarian conservative.

Greta news.. hopefully more people who waste money in govt on ridiculous concepts like environmental justice will resign. It's a much easier process for everyone if they just walk away.

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: GuidedKill

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: GuidedKill
-Even with new regulations, carbon is only expected to decrease by 1.8 percent by 2030.

Can we put a coal plant next door to you? how about letting them dump into your water supply? seems fine..get a brita filter I guess.

I actually have one near me and fish it's cooling tower exhaust waters all the time in the Winter....Hell fishing is SOOOOO GREAT next to the plant they don't let you keep fish in the Winter time cause there are SOOO many it's like shooting fish in a barrel...

What else do you have

I hear fish near the Fukushima power plant are mammoth sized...amazing! grab your rod.

OVERVIEW
Power plant water discharges are filled with toxic pollution such as mercury, arsenic, lead, and selenium—heavy metals that can cause neurological and developmental damage, cause harm in utero, damage internal organs and cause cancer.

Enjoy your tumors and brain damage...actually, this explains a lot...

But the EPA denied any of that radiation was hitting California and the west coast. Without even testing. Even though they got a bunch of scientists they could have sent to check it out. Maybe they did test but since it came out bad they went into defense mode.

Fukushima is in Japan, not California...

You realize how big the pacific ocean is, right?

You realize that there was a lot of contaminated junk washing up on the shores of California don't you? Now lets see, what is the half life of radioactive materials, and the currents bring radioactive stuff across the ocean.

The fact that radiation was detected and acknowledged three years later, but at amounts deemed newly safe by a change in regulations, is proof that the radiation did get there. I actually am not even scared of the radioactive materials that much. Just eat homemade jam and take a vitamin with some iodine in it.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: manuelram16
In my neck of the woods everybody is "on" for renewable energy, they put up solar farms and some people complain that they fry the local bird population, then they put up wind generators and people complain they kill the local birds....WTF???

Did it ever occur to you that People may be made to make these complaints so that big oil will continue without competition?

Or it's true.

Just sayin.

From their website:

Environmental justice is the fair treatment and meaningful involvement of all people regardless of race, color, national origin, or income, with respect to the development, implementation, and enforcement of environmental laws, regulations, and policies.

Not thing one to do with saving the environment. Their stated purpose is to ensure EO is in play for future regulation. Granted one can argue 'Well, they're the EPA. Their regulations save the environment.' I think that's a distortion.

While certain aspects of the agency are indeed needed, what they have become is a bureaucratic monstrosity more intent on protecting their budget share (see Mr. Ali) then frogs in a pond. If you are small potatoes, they will sink you at every turn because the rate of return is good. If you are lawyered up to the hilt, you can pollute whatever you want and they will bow down. Heck, if you have enough money, you can even write some of their regulations.

Blindly supporting a bloated agency who produces pennies of juice per dollar of tax payer squeeze simply because they have "Environment" in their name is foolish. There needs to be a "come to Jesus" moment with the EPA. Put them back on track.

originally posted by: D8Tee
a reply to: Ksihkehe

OVERVIEW
Power plant water discharges are filled with toxic pollution such as mercury, arsenic, lead, and selenium—heavy metals that can cause neurological and developmental damage, cause harm in utero, damage internal organs and cause cancer.

Guidekill was speaking about cooling water and SaturnFX was making it seem that cooling water was somehow filled full of heavy metals that cause neurological damage. Was a sneaky play, either that or he truly has no concept of what cooling water is and was simply confused. Anyway you look at it, was moving the goalposts, either out of ignorance or deceit.

I think "cooling tower" triggered him.

They are mostly associated with nuke plants.

lol.

originally posted by: syrinx high priest
that official should have stayed and FOUGHT

Yeah! Go down swinging!

Die like a man, coward just up and quits.

He's nothing without that job anyway.

originally posted by: rickymouse
You realize that there was a lot of contaminated junk washing up on the shores of California don't you? Now lets see, what is the half life of radioactive materials, and the currents bring radioactive stuff across the ocean.

Thats concerning if true. source?

You're a fool....Radiation and Coal aren't even in the same ball park...Hell they aren't even the same sport...

gee, you dont say.

Moving on
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Just like all your other comments on the EPA your comment about the cooling tower run off in a coal plant show you know absolutely nothing about what you spew out of your mouth...

And lets see whats happening:
Source The Hill

The Interior Department’s stream protection rule could become just the second regulation in history — and the first in 16 years — to be repealed under the Congressional Review Act, which allows lawmakers to overturn regulations they disapprove of with a simple majority.

The House will vote Wednesday on whether to overturn it.

The stream rule prohibits the coal industry from polluting the water sources near mines, but Republicans say this makes it nearly impossible for these companies to operate and is pushing them out of business.

Go figure, all you had was insults and fake news..typical neocon debate structure
Enjoy your continuing brain damage, Make downs syndrome great again.
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Bah, misformed character deleted most of this post when I made it in the last page.

I wasn't discussing the cooling down water, I was discussing removing regulations on coal plants to allow toxic dumping. show me where I said anything about cooling water

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: D8Tee
a reply to: Ksihkehe

OVERVIEW
Power plant water discharges are filled with toxic pollution such as mercury, arsenic, lead, and selenium—heavy metals that can cause neurological and developmental damage, cause harm in utero, damage internal organs and cause cancer.

Guidekill was speaking about cooling water and SaturnFX was making it seem that cooling water was somehow filled full of heavy metals that cause neurological damage. Was a sneaky play, either that or he truly has no concept of what cooling water is and was simply confused. Anyway you look at it, was moving the goalposts, either out of ignorance or deceit.

I think "cooling tower" triggered him.

They are mostly associated with nuke plants.

lol.

Naa, I responded, but most of the post was missing (if you hit "quote" from my message where it says ---Point---> you can read it all..or just look above this post.

I wasn't discussing the cooling water at all, never even mentioned it. everyone else got triggered when I said regulations keeping waters clean is a good thing...you snowflakes flipped right out and moved the goalpost like it was your job.

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: TruMcCarthyEveryone wants clean air and clean water, we don't need a corrupt, bloated government bureaucracy for this.

Yes, I am sure giant international megacorporations have our best interest at heart.]

Aren't they the major funders of the democrat party? The EPA doesn't hurt them, it protects them. EPA is straight cronyism.

originally posted by: jkm1864

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: GuidedKill
-Even with new regulations, carbon is only expected to decrease by 1.8 percent by 2030.

With nearly no regulations, how much is carbon meant to increase?

how much will a slew of new medical issues linked to heavy pollution cost the economy?

Can we put a coal plant next door to you? how about letting them dump into your water supply? seems fine..get a brita filter I guess.

No that's not fine because mercury gets into the water supply and damages the ecosystem. We need a system that punishes the corporations that pollute but doesn't harass property owners whom want to dig a pond on their property.

Yes, sensible rules is in order. here I agree
If a gopher turtle nest is found while building property here in sunny FL, it can shut down the operation and experts will need to come in, possible sanctuary land may be considered, etc.

what then normally happens is some guy with a truck will take all the turtles and put them in a truck, drive em some miles down the road and relocate them. this isn't the legal thing, but its the practical thing. here is where regulations are unreasonable and need to be clipped...a guy with a truck solution is perfectly fine

stupid turtles

a reply to: xuenchen

Yes because of people like Trump. You seem quick to post when it's against minorities and furthers Trumps non sensical agenda, but did you bother to care about Trump undoing a coal mining law that will allow mining companies to dump their waste in local water wayslink.
Which is just the first of many important regulations that will be cut.

a reply to: conscientiousobserver

Chop & Cut

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: rickymouse
You realize that there was a lot of contaminated junk washing up on the shores of California don't you? Now lets see, what is the half life of radioactive materials, and the currents bring radioactive stuff across the ocean.

Thats concerning if true. source?

from 2014 www.collective-evolution.com...

Another one here. www.enviroreporter.com...

There was a thread on the raising of the limit on here about two years ago, it had the evidence provided in the thread of the increase. You must remember that one.

Take all that money and put it into our healthcare and I'll stand up myself and say trump is one of the best presidents ever.


a reply to: xuenchen