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posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 04:49 AM
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Originally posted by Stealth Spy
READ THIS FULLY :

Why Tibet? Why Be Concerned?

Why China invaded Tibet

Tibet's Environment After Chinese Occupation

and READ THIS FULLY as well :

www.uhrp.org...

and Bush condemns China too. >> www.uhrp.org...



whats with you and friendsoftibet.com? The name just says it all. its bias to tibetians




posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 04:49 AM
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Originally posted by chinawhite
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poetry....-------------------------/kashmir/terrorist-kashmir.jpg


They are Indian civialins gunned down by Pakistani Jehadis who are operating in India. The Indian Army is stationed in Kashmir to protect these people from the jehadis from such rotten abouses.

You are confusing pakistani jehadi hr violations for Indian hr violations. Sort yourself out


Dont post stuff knowing what you are posting is false.

READ THE CAPTION OF THE PICTURE

For more than ten years Islamic militants in the Indian state of Kashmir have been waging ethnic war against anyone not Muslim. Of course, no sides in these conflicts have been well behaved, terrorists are in almost every ethnic group. This photo here shows the result of a recent Muslim suicide bomber, on October 1 near the state legislature. Fifteen people were killed. form poetry....-------------------------/kashmir/ the same site

These are pakistani jehadi millitants killing indian civilians.


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posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 04:51 AM
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Originally posted by chinawhite
whats with you and friendsoftibet.com? The name just says it all. its bias to tibetians


nothing is between me and the website. It opened my eyes to what's going on in Tibet.



posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 04:57 AM
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Originally posted by Stealth Spy
In 2004, more than 3,797 people were executed in 25 countries and at least 7,395 were sentenced to death according to Amnesty International. Out of 3,797 executions 3,400 were carried out in China, but sources inside the country have estimated the number to be nearly 10,000. (Amnesty International, Death sentences and executions in 2004, published in April 2005)

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I dont see how accurate this information could be.. i doubt only 3+ thousand people die in excutions in a year

many africans countries are big abusers in human rights



posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 05:01 AM
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Originally posted by Stealth Spy

Originally posted by chinawhite
whats with you and friendsoftibet.com? The name just says it all. its bias to tibetians


nothing is between me and the website. It opened my eyes to what's going on in Tibet.


same as this site

www.hrw.org...

# On 20 January 1990, an estimated 100 people were killed when a large group of unarmed protesters were fired upon by the Indian troops at the Gawakadal bridge.

# On March 1 1990, an estimated one million took to the streets and more than forty people were killed in police firing.

# In May 1990, an estimated 200,000 Kashmiris took to the streets in a funeral procession of the martyred leader Mirwaiz Maulvi Farooq; over 100 were killed in police firing.

# In January 1993, 40 people were killed in Sopore by security forces who burnt down a section of the town after two of their men were killed.

# In March 2000, nine civilians were killed in police firing in a large demonstration at Brakpora protesting killing of civilians at Panchalthan.

# In August 2000, 35 civilians were killed including 23 Amarnath pilgrims in Pahalgam; it has come to light that most of the people were killed in fact by the panic-stricken CRPF jawans who continued firing for another 20 minutes after the two suspected militants were killed; a commission under Lt.Gen. Mukherjee found 17 police officers responsible.

# Indian forces also have severely beaten 17 journalists in May 2001.

# In January 2002, Indian troops killed a civilian and wounded another in a firing at a demonstration at Sodal, protesting civilian beatings in search operations.



posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 05:02 AM
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Could a moderator lock this thread? This is just getting silly, and WAY off topic.



posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 05:05 AM
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Indian forces also have severely beaten 17 journalists in May 2001.

demoracy. free speech. if this is what free speech gets you in india i rather spend time in a soviet gulag




Torture and Custodial Killings

Civilians suspected of having information about militants, many of them innocent, are routinely detained, tortured and killed in custody, besides militants. Methods of torture include severe beatings, electric shock, crushing the leg muscles with a wooden roller, and burning with heated objects.

In 1995, Amnesty International documented 706 cases of custodial killings in the period 1990-1994, nearly all after gruesome torture; In its response to Amnesty, the Government of India (GOI) responded to 519 out of 706 cases in an evasive manner, dismissing half of them as "encounter killings" without supporting evidence despite eye-witness reports to the contrary; The government indicated that there was prima facie evidence of human rights violations in 85 other cases which were said to be under investigation, however no one has been brought to justice till date.


On 26 April 1993, The Kashmir Times run by Ved Bhasin carried a report of police records listing 132 persons to have been killed in custody in the preceding 33 days alone. The Kashmir Monitor, a human rights group, has reported around 220 custodial deaths for the period June'94-April'95 which represent the bare minimum. Estimate of the number of custodial killings since 1990 by human rights organizations runs in several thousands, many of them are civilians.


www.indiatogether.org...



posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 05:07 AM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
Could a moderator lock this thread? This is just getting silly, and WAY off topic.


MODs can you move to politics. i still want to have a discussion with the brick



posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 05:13 AM
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Like i said there are human rights violations in every part of the world, but the scale is different.

Comparing them in India to the ones in China is like comparing the size of an ant to a fully grown dinosaur.


When crowds of 1 million get out of control, in india police fire and 40 were dead; indian police beat 17 in the thick of the crowds as journalists for trying to breach the security and get in.

But India dose'nt MASS MURDER crowds of people like China.
Read this :

According to a secret Chinese military document, the PLA crushed 996 rebellions in Kanlho, Amdo, over the period 1952-58, killing over 10,000 Tibetans. (Work Report of the 11th PLA Division, 1952-1958) Similarly, the population of another Amdo area of Golok had its population reduced from about 1,30,000 in 1956 to about 60,000 in 1963. (China Spring, June 1986) Speaking about the same area, the 10th Panchen Lama said: "If there was a film made on all the atrocities perpetrated in Qinghai Province, it would shock the viewers. In Golok area, many people were killed and their dead bodies rolled down the hill into a big ditch. The soldiers told the family members and relatives of the dead people that they should celebrate since the rebels have been wiped out. They were forced to dance on the dead bodies. Soon after, they were also massacred with machine guns." (Speech by the 10th Panchen Lama at a meeting of the Sub-Committee of the National People's Congress in Peking on situation in Tibet, 28 March 1987).


In a crackdown operation launched in the wake of the National Uprising of 10 March 1959 in Lhasa, 10,000 to 15,000 Tibetans were killed within three days. According to a secret 1960 PLA Tibet Military District Political Department report, between March 1959 and October 1960, 87,000 Tibetans were killed in Central Tibet alone. (Xizang Xingshi, 1960) According to information compiled by the Tibetan administration in exile, over a million Tibetans died between 1949 and 1979. The figure includes deaths in prisons and labour and concentration camps Compilation of figures based on testimonies of survivors of prisons and labour camps show that throughout Tibet about 70% of the inmates died. For example, in the wilderness of the northern Tibetan plains at Jhang Tsalakha more than 10,000 prisoners were kept in five prisons and forced to mine and transport borax. According to some of the survivors of these camps, every day 10 to 30 died from hunger, beatings and overwork. In a year more than 8,000 had died. Likewise, in the construction of Lhasa-Ngachen Hydro-electric Power Station, now falsely claimed to have been built by the PLA, everyday at least three or four dead prisoners were seen being thrown into the nearby river or burnt. To cite an example from eastern Tibet, from 1960 to 1962, 12,019 inmates died at a lead mine in Dartsedo district, according to a former inmate, Mrs Adhi Tap from Nyarong, Kham.


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Now you tell me can isolated crowd control measures be compared intentional state sponsored mass murded and discarding of bodies ??

[edit on 26-6-2005 by Stealth Spy]



posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 05:23 AM
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Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Like i said there are human rights violations in every part of the world, but the scale is different.

Comparing them in India to the ones in China is like comparing the size of an ant to a fully grown dinosaur.


When crowds of 1 million get out of control, in india police fire and 40 were dead; indian police beat 17 in the thick of the crowds as journalists for trying to breach the security and get in.

But India dose'nt MASS MURDER crowds of people like China.
Read this :

According to a secret Chinese military document, the PLA crushed 996 rebellions in Kanlho, Amdo, over the period 1952-58, killing over 10,000 Tibetans. (Work Report of the 11th PLA Division, 1952-1958) Similarly, the population of another Amdo area of Golok had its population reduced from about 1,30,000 in 1956 to about 60,000 in 1963. (China Spring, June 1986) Speaking about the same area, the 10th Panchen Lama said: "If there was a film made on all the atrocities perpetrated in Qinghai Province, it would shock the viewers. In Golok area, many people were killed and their dead bodies rolled down the hill into a big ditch. The soldiers told the family members and relatives of the dead people that they should celebrate since the rebels have been wiped out. They were forced to dance on the dead bodies. Soon after, they were also massacred with machine guns." (Speech by the 10th Panchen Lama at a meeting of the Sub-Committee of the National People's Congress in Peking on situation in Tibet, 28 March 1987).


In a crackdown operation launched in the wake of the National Uprising of 10 March 1959 in Lhasa, 10,000 to 15,000 Tibetans were killed within three days. According to a secret 1960 PLA Tibet Military District Political Department report, between March 1959 and October 1960, 87,000 Tibetans were killed in Central Tibet alone. (Xizang Xingshi, 1960) According to information compiled by the Tibetan administration in exile, over a million Tibetans died between 1949 and 1979. The figure includes deaths in prisons and labour and concentration camps Compilation of figures based on testimonies of survivors of prisons and labour camps show that throughout Tibet about 70% of the inmates died. For example, in the wilderness of the northern Tibetan plains at Jhang Tsalakha more than 10,000 prisoners were kept in five prisons and forced to mine and transport borax. According to some of the survivors of these camps, every day 10 to 30 died from hunger, beatings and overwork. In a year more than 8,000 had died. Likewise, in the construction of Lhasa-Ngachen Hydro-electric Power Station, now falsely claimed to have been built by the PLA, everyday at least three or four dead prisoners were seen being thrown into the nearby river or burnt. To cite an example from eastern Tibet, from 1960 to 1962, 12,019 inmates died at a lead mine in Dartsedo district, according to a former inmate, Mrs Adhi Tap from Nyarong, Kham.


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Now you tell me can isolated crowd control measures be compared intentional state sponsored mass murded and discarding of bodies ??

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wheres you links stealthspy. you know i like to check if you changed the writing.


You admitted it india fires into the crowds of peacfull protestors.



thoses crowds you were refering to try to overthrow the chinese government. then they fled to india after they failed


[edit on 26-6-2005 by chinawhite]



posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 05:34 AM
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Originally posted by chinawhite

wheres you links stealthspy. you know i like to check if you changed the writing.


look at what you have quoted, they are right under your nose



You admitted it india fires into the crowds of peacfull protestors.


Not at peaceful protestors; but police will fire into the air if the peaceful protest turns into a riot like situation; if the protestors attack the police they are pushed back.

But when 1 million people go on a lawless riot, the police do what is appropriate to bring back a lawful situation taking steps to ensure minimal human loss. Most of the 40 people died in the stampede actually.

Crowd control takes place in every country; the police fire under unavoidable circumstnces for crowd control all over the world, be it india or the us or the uk or australia.

But we dont mass murder people and dessicate their bodies and force their relatives to dance around it like China does


[edit on 26-6-2005 by Stealth Spy]



posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 06:00 AM
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Originally posted by Stealth Spy

Originally posted by chinawhite

wheres you links stealthspy. you know i like to check if you changed the writing.


look at what you have quoted, they are right under your nose


i dont see how i posted the wrong information. it even said they were militants



You admitted it india fires into the crowds of peacfull protestors.


Not at peaceful protestors; but police will fire into the air if the peaceful protest turns into a riot like situation; if the protestors attack the police they are pushed back.

But when 1 million people go on a lawless riot, the police do what is appropriate to bring back a lawful situation taking steps to ensure minimal human loss. Most of the 40 people died in the stampede actually.

Crowd control takes place in every country; the police fire under unavoidable circumstnces for crowd control all over the world, be it india or the us or the uk or australia.

But we dont mass murder people and dessicate their bodies and force their relatives to dance around it like China does


[edit on 26-6-2005 by Stealth Spy]


why would 1million people go into a lawless riot? to protest about indian human rights abuses.


Give us the link for the chinese killing 60,000 tibetians



posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 06:23 AM
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Originally posted by chinawhite
why would 1million people go into a lawless riot? to protest about indian human rights abuses.


how naive;

Mirwaiz Maulvi Farooq was killed by a pakistani jehadi; the people of Indian Kashmir were upset and took to the streets condeming this act of pakistani jehadis, expressing their solidarity towards india.

But some sections of the crowd, got violent and started going on a riot and the riot police were called in and there were some firings.

Heck, 1 million is a looooooooooot of people.

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posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 06:26 AM
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But when 1 million people go on a lawless riot, the police do what is appropriate to bring back a lawful situation taking steps to ensure minimal human loss. Most of the 40 people died in the stampede actually.


1million. when did this happen

# In May 1990, an estimated 200,000 Kashmiris took to the streets in a funeral procession of the martyred leader Mirwaiz Maulvi Farooq; over 100 were killed in police firing.

# In January 1993, 40 people were killed in Sopore by security forces who burnt down a section of the town after two of their men were killed.

# On 20 January 1990, an estimated 100 people were killed when a large group of unarmed protesters were fired upon by the Indian troops at the Gawakadal bridge.

doesn't seem like that to me



posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 06:36 AM
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Sure some people died in police firings for crowd control.

Heck 200,000 people and 1 million is a loooot of people. They were not protesting against India but the death of thier beloved leader who was assasinated by a pakistani jehadi.

The Government paid compensation to the families of the dead and injured and by rules in india one member of the same family is assured employment.

But are you trying to compare these isolated crowd control measures to the state sponsored mass murder of thousands of people and desciting their bodies and forcing thier family members to dance around it and celebrate and then killing them as well or the state sponsored persecution of islam ???



posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 06:51 AM
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Originally posted by Stealth Spy
Sure some people died in police firings for crowd control.

Heck 200,000 people and 1 million is a loooot of people. They were not protesting against India but the death of thier beloved leader who was assasinated by a pakistani jehadi.

The Government paid compensation to the families of the dead and injured and by rules in india one member of the same family is assured employment.

But are you trying to compare these isolated crowd control measures to the state sponsored mass murder of thousands of people and desciting their bodies and forcing thier family members to dance around it and celebrate and then killing them as well or the state sponsored persecution of islam ???


why would they attack the police if they throught it was pakistan..

Why cant they use tear gas

isolated??? haha i know what jihad means.

LINKS TO CHINESE MASS MURDER >YOU FORGOT AGAIN



posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 07:00 AM
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Originally posted by chinawhite

why would they attack the police if they throught it was pakistan..


The whole protest was to condemn pakistan. He was killed by a pakistani jehadi from a grow called Hijbul-mujahideen. Go check it up.

The mobs burnt pakistani flags and expressed solidarity for thier leader, but some sections turned violent and ordered shops to be closed as a mark of respect, and some forced thier way attracting the police to bring back the lawful situation back.


Why cant they use tear gas

of course they used tear gas and water hoses. but it had little effect on the 1 million mob and the police were forced to use force.


LINKS TO CHINESE MASS MURDER >YOU FORGOT AGAIN



Read this :
According to a secret Chinese military document, the PLA crushed 996 rebellions in Kanlho, Amdo, over the period 1952-58, killing over 10,000 Tibetans. (Work Report of the 11th PLA Division, 1952-1958) Similarly, the population of another Amdo area of Golok had its population reduced from about 1,30,000 in 1956 to about 60,000 in 1963. (China Spring, June 1986) Speaking about the same area, the 10th Panchen Lama said: "If there was a film made on all the atrocities perpetrated in Qinghai Province, it would shock the viewers. In Golok area, many people were killed and their dead bodies rolled down the hill into a big ditch. The soldiers told the family members and relatives of the dead people that they should celebrate since the rebels have been wiped out. They were forced to dance on the dead bodies. Soon after, they were also massacred with machine guns." (Speech by the 10th Panchen Lama at a meeting of the Sub-Committee of the National People's Congress in Peking on situation in Tibet, 28 March 1987).


In a crackdown operation launched in the wake of the National Uprising of 10 March 1959 in Lhasa, 10,000 to 15,000 Tibetans were killed within three days. According to a secret 1960 PLA Tibet Military District Political Department report, between March 1959 and October 1960, 87,000 Tibetans were killed in Central Tibet alone. (Xizang Xingshi, 1960) According to information compiled by the Tibetan administration in exile, over a million Tibetans died between 1949 and 1979. The figure includes deaths in prisons and labour and concentration camps Compilation of figures based on testimonies of survivors of prisons and labour camps show that throughout Tibet about 70% of the inmates died. For example, in the wilderness of the northern Tibetan plains at Jhang Tsalakha more than 10,000 prisoners were kept in five prisons and forced to mine and transport borax. According to some of the survivors of these camps, every day 10 to 30 died from hunger, beatings and overwork. In a year more than 8,000 had died. Likewise, in the construction of Lhasa-Ngachen Hydro-electric Power Station, now falsely claimed to have been built by the PLA, everyday at least three or four dead prisoners were seen being thrown into the nearby river or burnt. To cite an example from eastern Tibet, from 1960 to 1962, 12,019 inmates died at a lead mine in Dartsedo district, according to a former inmate, Mrs Adhi Tap from Nyarong, Kham.


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and links for chinese persecution of islam :

www.uhrp.org...

and www.uhrp.org...

and the US and Bush have condemned this : www.uhrp.org...

Repression & persecution of Islam in China

US report : link

chinawhite, really are you in support of these ?

which humane person can condone this :

WARNING : VERY SERIOUS VIEWER DESCRETION IS ADVISED; THESE ARE GRAPHIC
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WARNING : VERY SERIOUS VIEWER DESCRETION IS ADVISED; THESE ARE GRAPHIC

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posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by Stealth Spy

Originally posted by chinawhite

why would they attack the police if they throught it was pakistan..


The whole protest was to condemn pakistan. He was killed by a pakistani jehadi from a grow called Hijbul-mujahideen. Go check it up.

The mobs burnt pakistani flags and expressed solidarity for thier leader, but some sections turned violent and ordered shops to be closed as a mark of respect, and some forced thier way attracting the police to bring back the lawful situation back.


that is a load of shiet. give some sources to back it up



Why cant they use tear gas

of course they used tear gas and water hoses. but it had little effect on the 1 million mob and the police were forced to use force.


1million?????????


the most i found was 200,000 and 100 people died



posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 07:53 AM
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Back with the same friendsoftibet.com link. very bias just from the name alone. do you think china going to give out state secrets to a pro-tibetian website



posted on Jun, 26 2005 @ 07:55 AM
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WARNING : VERY SERIOUS VIEWER DESCRETION IS ADVISED; THESE ARE GRAPHIC
poetry....-------------------------/kashmir/terrorist-kashmir.jpg

www.socialistviewpoint.org...

Indian soldiers display the bodies of suspected militants killed during an encounter in Kashmir January 30, 2002. Indian and Pakistani troops exchanged heavy fire across a cease-fire line in the disputed region. It is not clear who a “suspected militant” is.





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