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Shouldn't Automation Be a Good Thing??

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posted on Mar, 9 2017 @ 09:40 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Yes, it should. But unfortunately, it will not turn out being the case.

Look at the jobs market right now. Look also at the number of jobs, which require barely any qualifications at all, but actually pay a worth while wage, one which means that credit access is not a necessity for anyone who happens to get that job.

There are, at present, few such jobs. Most people fit the bracket of having few qualifications, save for those they got when leaving high school. Only some have any kind of technical qualification, fewer still, statistically speaking, have university grade qualifications. The majority of people who are going to be looking for work, are looking for work you can enter from the ground level, and make progress in. For most people, that involves the type of work which could, without major advances in technology, be automated. Some of those jobs already have been.

When those jobs get taken by machines, it causes two things to happen. First, rather than employing a human being, the company concerned is operating a machine, removing a job entirely from the work world, from the employment figures. Second, for every individual job taken by a machine, that is a position which would have required pay and taxes to be generated, which now requires no such thing.

This means, that not only are jobs being removed from the world of work, automatically increasing the number of people out of work, but it also means that less taxes are being generated as a result of work performed.

The end result of all this, is generations of people who will be able to find fewer jobs, who will be paying less tax as a result of being unemployed, making the places they live in less affluent, less commercially successful. If money is not earned, it is not spent, which causes not only hardship for the person who is out of a job as a result of automation, but also for the people running businesses in areas they live in. The best scenario for a business, is that it can get customers to walk in the door and spend their money. If there are fewer customers with money, less money can be made.

People at the sharp end are already choosing whether to heat their homes or eat. If this trend continues, with added automation thrown into the mix, it will come to pass that more people than ever have to make this choice, one which no one ought to have to make. Eventually, capitalism will cease to make any logical sense as a model for economy, since it will have no relevance to most of the population. Unless government and public alike are prepared to watch the majority starve and die in the streets just to maintain it, capitalism will commit a grand suicide, automation will be the round which empties is foul brain pan.

The only questions remaining are:

Will people in power accept this fact and make the right moves to change the way worth is dealt with, in order that people can live, rather than starve?

Will there be a backlash against a move to a more abstract, less directly causally linked distribution of resources?

Will the hatred of socialism blind people who will have great need of it, from being able to discern that capitalism is dead or dying, in need of replacement, not placing on life support as it circles the drain it always belonged in?




posted on Mar, 9 2017 @ 09:40 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: JoshuaCox

I have always been waiting for my 'George Jetson' workday, where I get home and the robot brings me the paper and takes my shoes off, while I complain to my wife that I had a hard day.... 'I had to push two buttons!'


In real life no company would pay you to push 2 buttons ..the point of a buisness is profit, not paying unnecessary labor.

So....
You're telling me that a 1960's animated television series didn't reflect reality?
I gotta go....
I have to call my cousin and warn him not to put TNT under his brother's chair. We watched Looney Tunes when we were kids.



posted on Mar, 9 2017 @ 09:41 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Forty percent of jobs will be lost to automatons by 2030.

I think it's time to worship the sun god again and wish for a solar flare-Robots can't hunt, build a campfire and tell ghost stories around said campfire. I can't wait to tell the first autoghost story.

'Gather 'round the fire kids, and let me tell you about the haunted tinder bot...'



posted on Mar, 9 2017 @ 09:44 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox


54 years ago, my school taught us that we would be replaced by robots, and here we are. I think the only way to survive is for our society to change into a Star-Trek like one. One where we work for self improvement and not money.



posted on Mar, 9 2017 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

You can give everyone $10,000/month and it wouldn't change anything. All that is going to happen is inflation as these people start spending money and that $10,000 won't be worth much. In addition, human nature dictates that some people are simply going to waste their money on booze, coke, and hoes. They will still be broke with their hands out asking for help.



posted on Mar, 9 2017 @ 09:49 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
But that is way more socialist than oat of the socialist countries today...


I have no idea what you are talking about.



posted on Mar, 9 2017 @ 09:50 AM
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originally posted by: trontech
I think the only way to survive is for our society to change into a Star-Trek like one. One where we work for self improvement and not money.


Except in the goofy, made up universe of Star Trek they still had money.



posted on Mar, 9 2017 @ 09:59 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


I was thinking more along the lines of losing money as our main motivation.



posted on Mar, 9 2017 @ 10:00 AM
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originally posted by: trontech
I was thinking more along the lines of losing money as our main motivation.


I doubt that will ever occur. People will always want something they do not have and will need to trade, barter or purchase that item or service.



posted on Mar, 9 2017 @ 10:02 AM
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originally posted by: trontech
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


I was thinking more along the lines of losing money as our main motivation.




Money just makes trade more convenient and efficient. Money is just your labor, goods, and services condensed into a neutral medium that can be exchanged for someone else's goods, labor, and services.



posted on Mar, 9 2017 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: Edumakated

Indeed so, but when the means by which one might earn that money are removed from all but a small fraction of the population, that system, that concept falls apart.

It cannot function with the level of automation which is coming on stream as we speak.



posted on Mar, 9 2017 @ 10:27 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Edumakated

Indeed so, but when the means by which one might earn that money are removed from all but a small fraction of the population, that system, that concept falls apart.

It cannot function with the level of automation which is coming on stream as we speak.


Well, you can either complain about it or figure out how to make yourself valuable...

Automation is overstated. Yes, it will certainly occur, but there are still a lot of jobs for people who are willing to train themselves and do the work. My HVAC went down last year. Guy comes out to house for 3 hours and I am writing a check for $1000. I highly doubt a robot will be taking his job anytime soon. Same for my plumber. Electrician. Roofer. Movers. Many construction jobs.

As I stated earlier, the problem isn't so much technology as it is people who simply don't want to learn new skills. Sure, on the lower end there will be chaos but that is fixable if we get serious about our education system.



posted on Mar, 9 2017 @ 10:33 AM
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a reply to: Edumakated

Do you understand that the lower end comprises the vast majority of human life?

I mean, how has this escaped your notice?

Let me tell you something. If you own any property, you are not in the majority. If you have minimal use of credit, you are not in the majority. If you are not in the scenario where you are one pay check away from the street, you are a rare duck, not normal, not part of "most people".

It is STRANGE AND WEIRD to be a part of that set, not normal in the least, do you understand that?



posted on Mar, 9 2017 @ 10:42 AM
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originally posted by: Edumakated
Yes, it will certainly occur, but there are still a lot of jobs for people who are willing to train themselves and do the work.

Did you count how many?

Did you subtract the number of people facing unemployment from automation from that amount?



posted on Mar, 9 2017 @ 10:43 AM
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originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Forty percent of jobs will be lost to automatons by 2030.

I think it's time to worship the sun god again and wish for a solar flare-Robots can't hunt, build a campfire and tell ghost stories around said campfire. I can't wait to tell the first autoghost story.

'Gather 'round the fire kids, and let me tell you about the haunted tinder bot...'



Or universal salaries and keep our iPhones. Lol



posted on Mar, 9 2017 @ 10:45 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Edumakated

Do you understand that the lower end comprises the vast majority of human life?

I mean, how has this escaped your notice?

Let me tell you something. If you own any property, you are not in the majority. If you have minimal use of credit, you are not in the majority. If you are not in the scenario where you are one pay check away from the street, you are a rare duck, not normal, not part of "most people".

It is STRANGE AND WEIRD to be a part of that set, not normal in the least, do you understand that?



We have been raised to hate anyone who works less than we do with the power of 1000 suns..

No matter if your a great person , father or husband. If your bad at the 9 to 5 , you don't even deserve to eat.



posted on Mar, 9 2017 @ 10:56 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
No matter if your a great person , father or husband. If your bad at the 9 to 5 , you don't even deserve to eat.

It is worst than that. It isn't even enough to put in 40 hours. Even if you are good at the 9 to 5 but it pays so little that you need help to make ends meet then you are a leech. Meanwhile they will gladly fill out a $1000 dollar check for the guy who worked 3 hours.



posted on Mar, 9 2017 @ 11:00 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
No matter if your a great person , father or husband. If your bad at the 9 to 5 , you don't even deserve to eat.

It is worst than that. It isn't even enough to put in 40 hours. Even if you are good at the 9 to 5 but it pays so little that you need help to make ends meet then you are a leech. Meanwhile they will gladly fill out a $1000 dollar check for the guy who worked 3 hours.


That was the "anyone who works less than you do."

Lol but it's the truth and super sad.



posted on Mar, 9 2017 @ 11:02 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
No matter if your a great person , father or husband. If your bad at the 9 to 5 , you don't even deserve to eat.

It is worst than that. It isn't even enough to put in 40 hours. Even if you are good at the 9 to 5 but it pays so little that you need help to make ends meet then you are a leech. Meanwhile they will gladly fill out a $1000 dollar check for the guy who worked 3 hours.


Hours worked have zero bearing on the value in a free market....



posted on Mar, 9 2017 @ 11:07 AM
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originally posted by: Edumakated
Hours worked have zero bearing on the value in a free market....

I know but we are not talking about the free market, we are talking about some peoples thoughts on the subject.




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