a reply to: AnkhMorpork
Listen. I would be thrilled to death to learn that we are not alone in the universe. However, I am also bound to and staunchly in favour of the
scientific method, reason, rationality. The precise stage at which you begin to diverge away from a position wherein you and I might discuss these
matters, can be found in line one, paragraph three of your OP.
It is not reasonable or rational to allow a thought exercise to lead you to suspect something, unless that thought exercise comes with more than
anecdotal evidence to support it. A tale you read somewhere of a secret meeting between members of a government black program and a contingent of
alien lifeforms, which comes with no supporting evidence, nothing remotely like it in fact, cannot reasonably morph into suspicion. It can morph into
an understanding of a remote possibility, but not a suspicion that this event actually occurred. That you took that suspicion and went on to develop
some offshoot scenarios which stem from it only shows that your imagination is a wonderful thing, and probably very well suited to fiction writing
indeed. In fact, if you were to write a science fiction book, I am certain, given what you display above, that it would be a depthy and interesting
read, with a few tweaks to make the science element hold the suspension of disbelief test that any such work must pass.
Can I imagine such a scenario? Of course I can. Do I frequently imagine such things? Yes, indeed I do. Does any of my imagination equate to evidence
or proof of the concept? Of course not.
The simple fact of the matter is, that as far as we can make out from what facts are known, none of what you muse about can be said to be an actual
occurrence, none of it can be backed up. It remains an intriguing thought to entertain (until it reaches the buffer of provability) but little else
And I think it is also worth pointing out the following:
If life can be found on other planets than this one, it is possible that some of it bares a resemblance to ours, in locations which would promote
similar growth, by way of providing similar environments for it to occur, on similar timescales. But the higher probability is that life in this
universe that we are in, is as varied or more so, than we have on this world. Between differences in atmosphere, differences in gravity, differences
in the amount of radiation hitting a planets surface, what types are and are not filtered by any presence of atmosphere, and so on, there are far too
many variables at play, to assume ANYTHING about the type of life that is out there in the universe, how it came to be there, without first actually
discovering it, examining it and the environment it grew in, and comparing its genes or nearest analogue, to our own to establish any potential
It would be AMAZING to discover other life forms, spun from the same thread as those we find on Earth, clearly from the same RNA source that is, on
other worlds. Closer looks at Mars may prove fascinating, absolutely astounding in that area. We still have yet to visit Europa, the largest (unless I
am much mistaken) accumulation of water in the solar system, even greater some suspect, than the amount comprising the oceans of the Earth. But make
no mistake, at present these, alongside observations by the space telescopes of the future, of far distant worlds, orbiting other stars, are the best
hope we have of making such a discovery.
An imagination is a great thing to have, and I support it with all my heart, but there comes a point where you have to concentrate on the things you
could prove, with forensic levels of rigor. These things, these concepts you have taken for a walk are interesting and wonderful, but they mean
nothing absent data to back them. You have posted this thread in the Aliens and UFOs section, for obvious reasons, but I think it is high time that
people who consider the field something of note, something worth spending time on, understood that there is no point in spit balling science fiction
any more. The fantastic, for all that it is still fantastic, is something anyone can walk into a bookstore and indulge in. The libraries of the world
are stacked full of fictions which expand the horizons one has, which open the mind to possibilities far greater than the ones provided by their every
day lives. But UFOlogy and the subject of alien life and visitation, MUST evolve to have much greater standards of rigor, discipline and fact
obsession than it currently displays, if it is to survive the coming generations.
I personally think the field has great promise, will one day be considered a genuine field of study, rather than the sole territory of those
considered crackpots and lunatics. But that time will not come any faster, unless those interested in the field are prepared to abandon imagination as
a tool for anything other than their amusement, and begin the process of forcing themselves into the position of genuine research, investigation and
scientific standards of evidence collection and examination.
I have given birth to worlds, galaxies and entire universes in my mind, aged them and seen them go dark and cold before vanishing from existence
completely, sometimes several times a day. I have invented creatures from the mundane to the entirely energetic, conscious energy, absent constraining
matter and none the less cohesive. I value imagination a great deal. But it amounts to no more than imagination, for all that it is enjoyable to
As Morpheus said to Neo...