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Hypocrisy Alert: The Left going ape # over "Slaves are Immigrants" comments from Dr. Carson

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posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 12:24 AM
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a reply to: mOjOm
I've seen a slave camp near Ghana's northern with Bhurkina, it was usually natives doing the "brought them here against their will" and any who survived the slave camps and the long march to the coast were bought up and forced onto ships.
Would you say that modern day American's who can trace their history to the slave trade are not integrated in American society, would saying they were slaved over instead of immigrating over be more constructive to reconciliation




posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 12:37 AM
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a reply to: Mictain

HAha your dry humor is great you get a star because some people would,
I'm waiting for the time when people like you start asking for reparations for all slaves and then will have to try getting those reparations out of Kwame's goat in Burkina Faso because most African slaves were the product of conflicting tribes... Please don't though Kwame needs that goat to feed his family.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 12:41 AM
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originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Stevemagegod

Slaves didn't hop the boarder. They were dragged over it.

Jesus, what is wrong with you???

They went and bought the slaves and brought them here against their will. They weren't coming here on their own and once here wished they could go back but were forced to stay.

Pretty much the opposite of any type of immigration.



Everyone is aware of the story of the slaves.
What is wrong with you?
Where did the OP say it?...he didn't say it, Ben Carson said it.
Leftist PC Police patrol, you guys are too much.


The "story" of "the slaves"?

Really?

You mean the history?

The way you phrased that comes across as downplaying ownership of human beings as property.

Cinderella is a "story".

Toy Story II is a "story".

Massive groups of Africans being forced onto boats and sold as property on another continent is history, not just a "story".



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 02:53 AM
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originally posted by: Stevemagegod

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: Stevemagegod



Slaves weren't immigrants. They were property owned by other men.


They were immigrants. They hoped the border didn't they?


Your post is so stunningly ignorant that I can only conclude that you're a troll. No-one can possibly be that ill-informed about slavery. No-one.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 02:58 AM
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The definitionj of UNCLE TOM?

Ben Carson!

Because those slaves that were stolen from Africa, taken from their families to be threated like cattle, did all this voluntary, because they just dreamed of a better life in the "worlds greatest country"...

Can this "government", it´s members and the blinldy following and defending supporters of the Orange One become more embarrassing, laughable and ridiculous?

Yes, as they they show to the rest of the sane world everyday, the running gag former USA is getting more funny from day to day. Nobody takes you guys serious anymore, and thats sad for the majority of the sane, former US citizens that have to live in that circus now...



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 03:16 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: Stevemagegod



Slaves weren't immigrants. They were property owned by other men.


Actually if you know your american history then you will know that indenture servitude was a way for people to immigrate to america without paying the cost up front. That the first person to own a slave outright was a blackman who did just that before he was given his freedom from servitude then he bought a indentured servant however this black american fought in court to keep the indentured servant for life because be made the case that his indentured servant couldn't repay the cost of his trip in one life time. So in reality yes all slaves had been basically indentured servants who couldn't ever repay the cost of their trip!



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 04:12 AM
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a reply to: Deny Arrogance

You can't be this stupid man.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 04:30 AM
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I can't believe just what a stupid statement that was.

There is no equivalency.

All that uncle Tom stuff is awful though.

Wash your mouths out.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 04:36 AM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Stevemagegod

Calling slavery immigration is like calling Rape Love making.

I guess some people don't understand the difference between something being consensual and forced.


That was a really stupid example.

I'd quit now.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 04:45 AM
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As for what Carson said, it definitely wasn't the smartest thing to say. Yet it was also not an incorrect statement.
It was not newsworthy either.

He acknowledges they were in slave ships. It was an odd choice of word. Not an incorrect reading of history.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 05:01 AM
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a reply to: DerBeobachter





The definition of UNCLE TOM?

Ben Carson!


Yep! This thread, in all its ignorant glory, is just another example of the deplorables that found refuge and solace in Donald Trump!

I weep for the future of America.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 07:24 AM
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a reply to: Stevemagegod

Everyone in America today is pretty much an immigrant. You slaughtered and raped the natives, remember?

Who bloody cares if we define slaves as immigrants or not? What a stupid point to become transfixed on. Your country is completely lost at the moment. You remind me of a bunch of rabid dogs foaming at the mouth but not sure where the next meal is.

Stop entertaining this left/right nonsense and realise it's not black and white. Does the OP really think there's this grand polarised war of immigration vs no immigration? It says a lot about the current psyche of your country when the majority of you want to call each other names and labels rather than partake in any actual productive or constructive discussion.

I've never seen the use of semantics override the topics at hand as much as recently. These are worrying times indeed. Wake the # up



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 08:03 AM
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I'm not going to bother reading through this entire thread. I'll just put it out there plain and simple. There's a lot of back-and-forth political bickering and both sides stretch credibility to make their case. But to attempt to characterize people being abducted and taken to a foreign country against their will as 'immigrants in pursuit of dreams and opportunity' is so absurd it sets new intellectual lows. Anyone attempting to rationalize that statement needs help.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 10:43 AM
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edit on 7-3-2017 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 11:46 AM
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The Atlantic slave trade developed after Europeans began exploring and establishing trading posts on the Atlantic (west) coast of Africa in the mid-15th century. West and west central African states supplied the Europeans with African slaves for export across the Atlantic. The Africans who were enslaved were mostly prisoners of war or captives resulting from slave raids. European and American slave traders purchased approximately 12 million slaves from West and west central Africa. A small percentage of these slaves were sent to Europe. Most, however, were shipped across the Atlantic for sale. Immigration implies a willful act to migrate to a country of which one is not a native, usually for permanent residence. But slaves were captured, sold, and shipped to another country against their will. Noah Webster did not feel the need to include in the definition of immigration that it is a willful act regardless of motive, most likely because he considered that obvious; that any person capable of critical thinking would inherently grasp that concept. Perhaps Webster was mistaken. Or maybe not.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 01:12 PM
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White Americans were immigrants.
African Americans were slaves.
Native Indians were nationals.

It's not hard to understand or accept.


This political forum really does show the many alternate realities we all apparently experience.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 03:32 PM
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All of this outrage over what Carson said.

I think it is ridiculous that Carson can't get on board with how real people discuss slaves.

You wouldn't see a civil rights champion like Obama saying something like this.


Here is Obama in 2015:

Certainly, it wasn’t easy for those of African heritage who had not come here voluntarily and yet in their own way were immigrants themselves. There was discrimination and hardship and poverty. But, like you, they no doubt found inspiration in all those who had come before them. And they were able to muster faith that, here in America, they might build a better life and give their children something more.

Here is Carson:

That’s what America is about, a land of dreams and opportunity. There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less. But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters, might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.


www.breitbart.com...

OOPS!!!!!!

All of the wailing, the gnashing of teeth both in the media and from members here on ATS.

And yet not a peep when Obama said the same thing. Where was the outrage?

So go ahead those of you criticizing Carson on this thread. Tell us what a monster Obama is, how he is trivilizing slavery.


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posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: windword

Funny how you would see it that way now!

Yet when the lefts messiah Obama said the same thing all that were heard were crickets.

The ops statement of hypocrisy was correct. The left is the epitome of hypocrisy!

Certainly, it wasn't easy for those of African heritage who had not come here voluntarily and yet in their own way were immigrants themselves. There was discrimination and hardship and poverty. But, like you, they no doubt found inspiration in all those who had come before them. And they were able to muster faith that, here in America, they might build a better life and give their children something more.
From Obama's big mouth



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 03:56 PM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Stevemagegod

I don't think that people who are captured, shipped as prisoners to a foreign land, refused human rights and forced into labor and the reproduction of forced labor forces, are considered "immigrants". Immigrant are people who voluntarily leave their home, seeking a better life, who are willing to sacrifice for that life. Refugees are people who immigrate because they're fleeing oppression and are in fear for their' and their family's lives.






oh c'mon, windword....you must realize by now, that using logic and common sense has no meaning to the trump voters here. trump voters think that slaves back then, were just trying to make a living and raise their families, you know, like the immigrants of today.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 04:04 PM
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originally posted by: Diisenchanted
a reply to: windword

Funny how you would see it that way now!

Yet when the lefts messiah Obama said the same thing all that were heard were crickets.

The ops statement of hypocrisy was correct. The left is the epitome of hypocrisy!

Certainly, it wasn't easy for those of African heritage who had not come here voluntarily and yet in their own way were immigrants themselves. There was discrimination and hardship and poverty. But, like you, they no doubt found inspiration in all those who had come before them. And they were able to muster faith that, here in America, they might build a better life and give their children something more.
From Obama's big mouth


funny how you left out this part of the same speech by Obama........

From the start, Africans were brought here in chains against their will and then toiled under the whip. They also built America. A century ago, New York City shops displayed those signs, "No Irish Need Apply." Catholics were targeted, their loyalty questioned, so much so that as recently as the 1950s and sixties, when JFK had to run, he had to convince people that his allegiance wasn't primarily to the Pope.



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