The Zen of Sickness and Medicine - Finding your Higher Nous - Teach to learn twice!

a reply to: DayAfterTomorrow

I think you are completely unaware of what Paul's message was.

Actually from your comment I know it for a fact.

Paul's message was faith alone, not good deeds, leads to salvation.

Salvation is selfish by nature which is why Jesus taught the Kingdom of God on earth and not saving your skin from hell.

Also, salvation to Paul is faith in...PAUL.

a reply to: benTanna

Paul contradicted himself occasionally.

"Unconditional love is love’s only condition."

Is my aphorism true? What is its negation?

a reply to: DayAfterTomorrow

What is the "worse fault in Abraham than with Paul"?

Abraham wasn't a false prophet.

Paul WAS.

That's a big problem and not a problem with Abraham or Ishmael.

See what I mean?

You thought you were going to attack me via Ishmael not even knowing the story OF Ishmael and when your ruse is aired out you pretend like nothing happened.

You tried, you didn't succeed because as I have been telling you you aren't that learned in the Bible.

But keep trying.

a reply to: DayAfterTomorrow

Paul contradicted himself A LOT.

Admitted to being a liar because it "glorified God" so he says.

Was pro slavery. Told slaves to treat masters like they were God.

Besides that he contradicted Jesus and the Apostles and was their enemy.

Always.

a reply to: DayAfterTomorrow

Worst of all he contradicted God by saying his Law was "dead" and "a curse" the "cause of sin."

God said otherwise.

As did Jesus, James... you get the picture.

Also he was not a prophet and didn't even know who delivered the Law to Moses saying angels ordained it and gave it to Moses.

Contradicting Moses or the Torah's author.

Which clearly has God give the Law to Moses.

A supposedly Jewish alleged prophet doesn't know the book of Genesis...

And you think he is a prophet?

Angels DIDN'T ordain anything.

a reply to: benTanna

I only see Abraham, Issac, Sarah, Hagar and Ishmael with love. They were flawed like all of us. I could never judge them apart from first recognizing both the sickness and medicine in myself.

Does Islam place you higher than the sinners of the world, or are you also sick by comparison to the demands of absolute truth?

This is the problem with judgment of others. Virtues are their own perquisites. Apart from being loving, a person cannot claim love as a virtue. Law is reserved for thieves. Love needs no other law.

I do not judge. Neutral / Positive only. I am not worthy to judge until I reflect Love itself. 1 John 4 has a great deal to say on this topic.

a reply to: DayAfterTomorrow

Why are you always changing the subject?

I am wrong at times, I admit it so I don't look foolish trying to contest with someone who clearly knows more than me.

You should too. Now and often.

You are trying to make it about me, what Islam thinks of ME.

It's not about ME.

a reply to: benTanna

Stones in the well stop water from flowing. Judgment is a mirror. Better to love only. What sins of any person could stand against your mighty understanding?

a reply to: DayAfterTomorrow

Muslims are sinners like everyone else so your questions is asinine.

How could Islam place a sinner higher than a sinner?

Why WOULD they?

It is nonsensical. Like Paul. I get why you two are on the same page you despise the truth but love self importance and feigned humility.

I get it now. Yep. He's the (false) prophet for you.

originally posted by: DayAfterTomorrow
a reply to: benTanna

Stones in the well stop water from flowing. Judgment is a mirror. Better to love only. What sins of any person could stand against you mighty understanding?

When's the last time you said something that had meaning other than your own sense of self importance and desire to know more than you really do without reading a book?

a reply to: DayAfterTomorrow

People who say "I don't judge." judge the most of all people.

originally posted by: benTanna
a reply to: DayAfterTomorrow

Muslims are sinners like everyone else so your questions is asinine.

How could Islam place a sinner higher than a sinner?

Why WOULD they?

It is nonsensical. Like Paul. I get why you two are on the same page you despise the truth but love self importance and feigned humility.

I get it now. Yep. He's the (false) prophet for you.

Jesus didn't throw stones at the sinner, but only warnings to those who used religion to control. Sinners are not the judge are they?

Compare to this. What do you see?

“The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, - flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.” (TQM 24:2).

originally posted by: benTanna

originally posted by: DayAfterTomorrow
a reply to: benTanna

Stones in the well stop water from flowing. Judgment is a mirror. Better to love only. What sins of any person could stand against you mighty understanding?

When's the last time you said something that had meaning other than your own sense of self importance and desire to know more than you really do without reading a book?

Sickness is the struggle. Medicine applies the relative, revealing the gift. Stones in the well require the hand that owns the well.

RUMI

The Amir asked: “Does God’s care create struggles?”

Rumi answered: Why shouldn’t it?

When divine care arrives, struggling begins. Jesus—what a struggle he made! Yet John the Baptist recog-
nized that gift while still in Mary’s womb. Grace comes first. Then if, by accident, awareness enters in, this is the fruit of God’s grace—the pure gift of the Lord. If this were not true, then how could Jesus’ disciples have received such blessings?

originally posted by: benTanna
a reply to: DayAfterTomorrow

Paul hated Gnostics too!!!

Again, you need facts. He calls it "falsely so called Gnosis."

And they hated him too. Marcion wasn't a Gnostic either just a Paulinist.

Paul's enlightenment was Gnosis.

“Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect,” writes Paul, “yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to naught: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory” (1 Cor 2:6-7 KJV).

Pistis is faith. Gnosis is direct Revelation. You can claim he lied, but his testimony was Gnostic through and through.

a reply to: DayAfterTomorrow

Gnosis is knowledge, of a spiritual nature.

Know thyself and you will know God.

That said it is well known Paul wanted to be the only "Gnostic" and hated the thought of anyone else teaching anything other than what he did.

Not a real Gnostic.The Gnostics really didn't care about Paul either.

a reply to: DayAfterTomorrow

In fact the word "gnosis" comes from the Cretan city of Gnossus.

It translates to "knowledge" but is more like the spiritual concepts of the Hindus and Zoroastrians and Plato.

It's Daath in Kabbalistic philosophy.

a reply to: DayAfterTomorrow

I don't do the whole false kingdom of grace.

I follow Jesus and Mohammed (PBUT) and live in the Kingdom of God.

a reply to: benTanna

The Gnosis you are speaking of is directly from Egypt. Look up the aphorisms of Luxor Temple. It's called the perennial philosophy, which is what Islam, Christianity and most any other religion is based off of from the foundation, which is Hinduism.

a reply to: benTanna

All from the root of Hinduism, originating with Sanskrit.

a reply to: benTanna

I don't do the whole false kingdom of grace.

I follow Jesus and Mohammed (PBUT) and live in the Kingdom of God.

The kingdom is not of this world. We are all here because of our sin, separated from direct knowledge of God. Love overcomes the law of sin and death, of which, you and I will suffer from in this life. Baptism is where we are now, in the flood of Noah. One resurrection for everyone on this Earth.

If not for grace, none of us would be able to overcome Karma. The gift of Heaven if free. Nothing you can do to earn or conceive it.

LUXOR: As to deserving, know that the gift of heaven is free; this gift of Knowledge is so great that no effort whatever could hope to 'deserve' it.

Compare to Ephesians and what Paul said:

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--

Egypt was there 1400BC.

As for Jesus, he's the WORD you are in and through right now. Bread of Life is DNA.