The "unpresidented" precedent set forth by our unpresidential president.

Stopped reading at the mention of Duestche Bank. They're one of the biggest banks in the world. Everyone has connections with them.

You have connections to Duestche Bank. You probably have a retirement account managed by a company with bank deposits in them or something. Does that make you guilty of whatever in the world you're accusing Donald Trump of?

Like lol! This is like saying someone has connections to Russia because they ate a hamburger at McDonalds and McDonalds has a restaurant in Moscow.

a reply to: DrStevenBrule

Lol... keep attacking the messenger when you can't argue the point...

originally posted by: RedDragon
Stopped reading at the mention of...

That's a common problem among Trump supporters... Here's the thing-- you're not connected to the Trump admin other than possibly the responsibility of your vote... and of course your pride. You don't have to stop reading at the mention of a bank.... be brave... reality really isn't so scary...

This isn't about Deutsche Bank or any private business enterprise. The democrats' argument is that Trump and/or members of his cabinet are actual "Russian Agents" and that how they presented and justified the FISA warrants to obtain evidence of such. This was done before the election and you can bet that if something damaging was found we'd heard about it and Trump would have been forced to drop out of the race. The FBI performed their due diligence and found nothing- That is reality and a fact.

a reply to: DrStevenBrule


Yes because Obama told all those racist pigs.. sorry cops to shoot and/or fatally injure those innocent and sometimes not so innocent African Americans. The simple fact that Obama was black is what divided this country and showed how blatantly racist many Americans still are.


Now if you could move along and try to derail someone else's thread that would be wonderful

Good day sir!

a reply to: mkultra11

If that were true there would not be an investigation right now as we speak. Trump members would not be forced to resign. Reality is the investigation is ongoing.

Lie to yourself all you like -- it has no bearing on reality. Your denials are meaningless.

originally posted by: mkultra11
This isn't about Deutsche Bank or any private business enterprise. The democrats' argument is that Trump and/or members of his cabinet are actual "Russian Agents" and that how they presented and justified the FISA warrants to obtain evidence of such. This was done before the election and you can bet that if something damaging was found we'd heard about it and Trump would have been forced to drop out of the race. The FBI performed their due diligence and found nothing- That is reality and a fact.

However the illegal wiretapping by the obama admin will get alot of people in hot water. Fisa's are there and had been refused 2 times before one got oked before the election opps obama/hillary people! Clapper just went on record to say he found no collusion between trump and russia yet didnt know about the wire tap aka that means

a: trump wasnt wire tapped except for the evidence in fisa application which shows they tried twice and a third time it was ok'ed with trumps name off the doc. So this line of reasoning isn't correct.

B: they did wiretap trump before election clapper didnt find anything and is lying about it "he has lied before under oath". Highly likely

C: Clapper is telling the truth and not knowing about the wiretap and investigated trump using other means. Extremely likely however most likely he will use the dictionary definition of wire tapping and legally fight according to its defination that what he did wasn't or isnt considering "wire tapping". Which in reality means option b is probably correct.

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Oh wait CNN reported on the riots. So isn't it "fake news" then? Lets not forget the million+ people that exercised their right to peacefully protest (not complain) the election. That were not throwing bricks through a handful of business windows.( possibly provocateurs??)
Sorry but at this point the ones with special needs are those that think Trump cares about anything other than money.

originally posted by: conscientiousobserver
a reply to: DrStevenBrule


Oh wait CNN reported on the riots. So isn't it "fake news" then? Lets not forget the million+ people that exercised their right to peacefully protest (not complain) the election. That were not throwing bricks through a handful of business windows.( possibly provocateurs??)
Sorry but at this point the ones with special needs are those that think Trump cares about anything other than money.

Lol antifas has no agent provocateurs! The left paid people to attack trump supporters before the election for months and have been caught doing so!
Antifas uniforms consists of black on black clothing with hoodie and masks or bandanas over mouth! They show up with baseball bats and punch and kick /mace people when their backs are turned. They form in large groups in extremely liberal cities and schools aka Berkeley and los Angeles at lax airport and the left are pretending to distance themselves from them by claiming they are anarchists lol. Sorry buddy but you have no legs to stand on because the extreme left is to knocking you to the ground to attack a trump supporter. The reality is at this point the left should ban antifas and other violent groups like black lives matter from attending their protest if they dont want to be lumped in with them. You cant have your cake and eat it too!

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: mkultra11

If that were true there would not be an investigation right now as we speak. Trump members would not be forced to resign. Reality is the investigation is ongoing.

Lie to yourself all you like -- it has no bearing on reality. Your denials are meaningless.

Wrong. The FISA warrant found nothing detrimental to Trump and not only that they concluded that there was no Russian connection or agent in the Trump administration before he won the electuon. These congressional hearing are nothing but theater and the Dems grasping at straws to keep the narrative going. Trump just changed the narrative to what is should be - obama trying to undermine his successor, which is a complete disgrace to the office and our country.

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Deutsche Bank is just small fish. Even though the bank was most likely used to exchange money between Russia and Trump, but that is just speculation of course and unfortunately most likely can't really be proven whether it is true or not. As he has been loaning hundreds of millions of dollars from them for years now and who knows how badly they cooked their books. That's a whole lot of hamburgers

Although the big prize fish is What Russia has most to gain from this taking over our government is that $500,000,000,000 multi decade deal allowing Exxon mobile to survey and collect the oil from Russia's arctic territories.
That's a whole lot of hamburgers.

a reply to: mkultra11


They found nothing from the point that active surveillance began. Trump has been heavily involved with deutsche bank for years and the bank practically owns him, but let's forget about Trump for a second though as he is just the clown meant to distract us from the changes going on all around us.

The more important connection is Rex Tillerson who has been working directly with Putin for decades and has a half a trillion dollar investment riding on our government being Pro Russia. Why is this bad? Because we are at a time when these companies should be focusing on a pivot to renewable energies. Instead of throwing money away on oil.

Seriously though imagine if Exxon were to invest all that money into electric vehicles, renewable electric power plants, and home based collection methods.

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Do you have any links?

/yawn

Obama's wiretap found nothing, but you somehow have all the answers.

a reply to: Telos

And what has Trump given us so far?

a reply to: snowspirit

Impeachment will just put Pence as president.

I'd wager that is the "plan." Oust Trump (through his own irrational undoing), so the mainstream, establishment-friendly Conservative Pence can stride in, take the helm, and keep the agenda moving smoothly along.

a reply to: conscientiousobserver

Made good on numerous promises, moving forward on many more, and has not really broken a single promise (half broke one, but it's a step in the right direction still).

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Can you give specifics please.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04


The wiretap was of recent conversations was it not? Trump and co have had relations with Russia for years.

originally posted by: conscientiousobserver
a reply to: mkultra11


They found nothing from the point that active surveillance began. Trump has been heavily involved with deutsche bank for years and the bank practically owns him, but let's forget about Trump for a second though as he is just the clown meant to distract us from the changes going on all around us.

The more important connection is Rex Tillerson who has been working directly with Putin for decades and has a half a trillion dollar investment riding on our government being Pro Russia. Why is this bad? Because we are at a time when these companies should be focusing on a pivot to renewable energies. Instead of throwing money away on oil.

Seriously though imagine if Exxon were to invest all that money into electric vehicles, renewable electric power plants, and home based collection methods.

Yet clapper found nothing on trump ties with russia lol ok now it's tillerson.Yes they filed for FISA's which is evidence of attempting to wiretap a political opponent! It was shot down twice but there are 3 FISA's and now the media is trying to say even if they wiretapped trump tower it wasn't aimed at trump.