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Donald Trump claims Barack Obama ‘had his wires tapped in Trump Tower before US election win’

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posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 12:17 PM
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a reply to: JAY1980

Oh I doubt theres any evidence, just conservative Trump supporter bias and lies. Word is, this all originated from a conservative talk show then Fake News outlet Breitbart picks it up and of course Trump parrots it.




posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 12:18 PM
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originally posted by: Christosterone


I am very curious as to why Trump would say this unless he has proof in the form of transcripts or secret presidential orders only privy to his eyes...



are you serious?
does trump have a history of only saying things he has solid proof about?
hahahahahaha

i lean towards him just talking yuge # on twitter again.



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 12:48 PM
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a reply to: Christosterone

This will become the biggest political scandal of them all.

However there are plenty more in the Demonic package: the way DOJ laundered money to their supporters. This is a major embezzelment of tax payers money - in multi-billion class that as well. This will take DoJ and Obama to court.

But, biggest - beyond Watergate or Snowden - is the case with wiretapping Trump Towers. WTT will be the even which will bring down DNC once and for all.

By now, the nation however have a pretty clear picture what sort of scum the DNC leadership has been.



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 01:12 PM
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Obama denies that he or any of his staff ordered Trump's phones tapped. They do not deny that they were being tapped nor do they deny that they knew they were being tapped. They also state that they did not interfere with an investigation on Trump.

From a press release on Yahoo.

"The White House did not immediately clarify from whom Trump had “just learned” this new information, and Obama’s office categorically denied the charge that the former president had been involved in ordering any wiretapping — though not that a U.S. governmental entity had in fact carried out surveillance of Trump or his aides during the 2016 campaign.

“A cardinal rule of the Obama Administration was that no White House official ever interfered with any independent investigation led by the Department of Justice,” spokesman Kevin Lewis said in a statement. “As part of that practice, neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen. Any suggestion otherwise is simply false.”

www.yahoo.com...

Obama never denies knowing it was happening, he just denies ordering it. He does not deny that he was informed of what was happening either. He never states he did not release what he found to others either.

Obama is a lawyer, he knows how things need to be worded to show what he wants to show and confuse people he wants to confuse. This release did not confuse me, I read it to find out all of what it said. It appears the DOJ ordered the tap. Who in the DOJ ordered it though, someone who is linked to Hillary?
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posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 01:54 PM
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Why would President Obama order Donald Trumps phone to be tapped any way.



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 02:00 PM
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originally posted by: Simon1967
Why would President Obama order Donald Trumps phone to be tapped any way.


Russians !!

The Obama Administration was doing their part.




posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 02:06 PM
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Has Trump finally cracked up? Is this is a paranoid delusion.

Even if his phone was tapped how he would know by whom, unless someone told him inside the walls of power where he now resides.



The only wires that have been tapped are the ones in Trumps head.



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 02:10 PM
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a reply to: Christosterone

This troubling.. and probably true. Candidate/President Trump has rarely been wrong over the past 2 years.



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 02:11 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

OK Thanks, Wouldn't be to smart for Mr Putin to ring Donald up to discuss how to get him into the White House though.



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 02:15 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

Unless you lean to the left, and then he's always been wrong for the last 2 years.



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 02:36 PM
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We need evidence. Ill take it with a grain of salt, like "the russians hacked our election" until I see some.

(Hillarys illegal activity on several fronts had evidence.)



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 03:20 PM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: butcherguy

Care to link the evidence?





Why are libs demanding evidence that Obama spied on Trump?

Unnamed sources & baseless claims were enough to satisfy their Russia hysteria.

12:36 PM · Mar 4, 2017

mobile.twitter.com...


Funny because it is true. So true.



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 05:17 PM
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originally posted by: Christosterone

If true,


LOL you say that, as though there is actually an iota of hope that it might be.....

Please tell me that those of the age to vote are far more level-headed than believing hyperbole like this nonsense.



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 05:19 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
Has Trump finally cracked up? Is this is a paranoid delusion.

Even if his phone was tapped how he would know by whom, unless someone told him inside the walls of power where he now resides.




Surely not the intelligence community that he derides on an almost daily basis.



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 05:55 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: Christosterone

If True? Trump is a pathological liar who also parrots everything that fits into his own warped narrative. Chances are he never looked into this and has zero evidence.


Read the 8 pages of Sublimecraft's thread and you will find that it is true.
The FISA court authorized the wiretapping.


FISA court authorizing it isn't the same as Obama ordering it though. It's 100% illegal for a sitting President to order wire taps on any American citizens. IF evidence is presented implicating Obama then let the bastard hang. But showing that a FISA court authorized this isn't actually an implication or anything resembling evidence that this was ordered by Obama.



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 08:08 PM
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a reply to: peter vlar

President Obama has gotten away with wire-tapping phones in the past.

Excerpt from: www.telegraph.co.uk... (dated October 2013)

""President Barack Obama was dragged into the trans-Atlantic spying row after it was claimed he personally authorised the monitoring of Angela Merkel’s phone three years ago.

The president allegedly allowed US intelligence to listen to calls from the German Chancellor’s mobile phone after he was briefed on the operation by Keith Alexander, director of the National Security Agency (NSA), in 2010."

That's just one instance, pulled up by a quick Google search. It's no wonder that Obama felt no inhibition with installing eavesdropping devices on Candidate/President Trump phones...and likely in other areas of Trump's residence, jet plane, business locations, etc.. as well.



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 09:36 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: peter vlar

President Obama has gotten away with wire-tapping phones in the past.

Excerpt from: www.telegraph.co.uk... (dated October 2013)

""President Barack Obama was dragged into the trans-Atlantic spying row after it was claimed he personally authorised the monitoring of Angela Merkel’s phone three years ago.

The president allegedly allowed US intelligence to listen to calls from the German Chancellor’s mobile phone after he was briefed on the operation by Keith Alexander, director of the National Security Agency (NSA), in 2010."

That's just one instance, pulled up by a quick Google search. It's no wonder that Obama felt no inhibition with installing eavesdropping devices on Candidate/President Trump phones...and likely in other areas of Trump's residence, jet plane, business locations, etc.. as well.




Sweet quote mining. Let's add the next part for proper context shall we?


The latest claim, reported in the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag, followed reports in Der Spiegel that the surveillance of Mrs Merkel’s phone began as long ago as 2002, when she was still the opposition leader, three years before being elected Chancellor.


So we have two things here that should be addressed. First, it was a foreign leader, not the same thing as an American citizen. Second is that this began in 2002 under George W. Bush. Furthermore, according to your own citation, it was authorized by a FISA court at the request of the FBI. So other than being made aware of it by NSA, how exactly does any of the above information imply that Obama ordered wiretapping period let alone against an American citizen in US territory? He wasn't even a US Senator in 2002 so I'm curious where he obtained his magic powers to order this 6 years before taking office?



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 10:39 PM
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originally posted by: peter vlar

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: Christosterone

If True? Trump is a pathological liar who also parrots everything that fits into his own warped narrative. Chances are he never looked into this and has zero evidence.


Read the 8 pages of Sublimecraft's thread and you will find that it is true.
The FISA court authorized the wiretapping.


FISA court authorizing it isn't the same as Obama ordering it though. It's 100% illegal for a sitting President to order wire taps on any American citizens. IF evidence is presented implicating Obama then let the bastard hang. But showing that a FISA court authorized this isn't actually an implication or anything resembling evidence that this was ordered by Obama.



50 U.S. Code § 1802 - Electronic surveillance authorization without court order; certification by Attorney General; reports to Congressional committees; transmittal under seal;...of communication common carrier; applications; jurisdiction of court


(a)
(1) Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year if the Attorney General certifies in writing under oath that—


read the link for the entire section but long story short yes the President can authorize a tap without as court order.

This investigation centers on Russia and not Trump... a Key difference to keep in mind.
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posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 10:42 PM
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The FBI was interested in the Russian presence, they asked for permission from the FISER court but was denied, I doubt Obama would go rouge on this, he is after all a by the book kinda guy and averse to risk.

Btw I wished FISER did allow for wire tap as there is more to the Russian connection than we think we know.



posted on Mar, 5 2017 @ 12:50 AM
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originally posted by: Spider879
The FBI was interested in the Russian presence, they asked for permission from the FISER court but was denied, I doubt Obama would go rouge on this, he is after all a by the book kinda guy and averse to risk.

Btw I wished FISER did allow for wire tap as there is more to the Russian connection than we think we know.


FISA btw. The FBI did go back to get more narrow warrants after the first were denied.



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