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posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 10:50 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
All media is a CIA operation ... except for Fox, of course, and Breitbart, which are completely reliable in every way ... so much so ... the President himself doesn't even need security briefings because he watches and reads.

#whatintheworldhappenedtoUS


And my friend Alex Jones. He is so excited


Trump is finally going to get to the bottom of Google's Trans dimensional hive AI controlling humanity.




posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 10:51 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: UKTruth

I thought spying was okay if it reveals criminal activities. Or is that only if the criminal is a Democrat?


But Flynn was/is a Democrat.



So was/is Trump.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 10:53 AM
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a reply to: luthier

When you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a Russian there comes a point where the odds of coincidence is just astronomical. I can't imagine the Vegas odds against such a probability.
Add to that.. They all kept lying about them. Every one who had a Russian connection has denied it and been proven a liar.
So much of Steeles dossier is bearing fruit. Of course they wanted to discard it as nonsense. Fortunately the agents reputation precedes him.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 10:59 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: luthier

When you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a Russian there comes a point where the odds of coincidence is just astronomical. I can't imagine the Vegas odds against such a probability.
Add to that.. They all kept lying about them. Every one who had a Russian connection has denied it and been proven a liar.
So much of Steeles dossier is bearing fruit. Of course they wanted to discard it as nonsense. Fortunately the agents reputation precedes him.


It's also quite possible this group of amateurs has way more leads than Profesional politicians into their practices. In politics you learn how to dodge and hide better than business's. Trump hired some real traceable people.

It could easily be most of the Trump administration is really just being played and they are greedy and don't realize the damage of allowing the hooks in.

The whole thing is amateur hour on trumps part so far.

I think it's been a metaphorical children's Magic show at this point and it's getting old.

No substance based on reality just power business gimmicks from the 80's.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 11:09 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth



We only have confirmation from the FBI that they were spying and of course the actual evidence of transcripts being leaked of secretly recorded phone calls.


So the FBI was spying, not an individual within Obama's cabinet?

Glad we cleared that up.


Yes and they get their authorisation from the Executive branch administration - under Obama at the time.


Which cabinet member gave that authorization?


The authorisation is implicit, as stated.
Perhaps read the AG's guidelines for FBI operations.


So no one within the Obama administration actually gave the order to spy on Trump's campaign.

Cool. We're making progress.


No, he'll just play a different word game. "Administration" has multiple meanings. Let's watch the monkey play with that.


I don't see how. The "administration" has always been comprised of the President, the VP and the cabinet.


The last I checked the AG is part of the cabinet and heads the DoJ. It is the DoJ who give authority to the FBI and therefore are accountable for their actions. No denying it.


Ok. Now can you prove the AG gave the order to the FBI to spy on Trump?


The DoJ gave authorisation as they always do for all FBI operations.


So then, you are left with no choice but to acquiesce that since all of your touts are true, and since there is an on-going investigation (because clearly since the administration in it's entirety is responsible for all "spying"), that the Trump Administration is NOW investigating the ties to Russia within the Trump campaign - or in other words, Trump is spying on himself. (on the taxpayers dime no less)



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 11:14 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: UKTruth

I thought spying was okay if it reveals criminal activities. Or is that only if the criminal is a Democrat?


But Flynn was/is a Democrat.



So was/is Trump.


"So" what.




posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 11:34 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Gryphon66

Wow
What a joke
The constitution provides for protection from unreasonable search, how did that work out for flynn? Can't wait for you to flip flop on this one come 18 or 20.


Wow. What a joke.

The problem was, it was reasonable. Which, by the way, what does unreasonable search and seizure have to do with the questions at hand?




What ever EXTREME questions you have about trump and russia, multiple leo officials have stated there is no evidence of collusion or crime.


There was probable cause, which is why there was an investigation in the first place.



This investigation has been going on since at least july of 16. Page, Stone, Manfort, Flynn ect...none of them have been charged with anything.


Oh I see. So what you want is, if there is probable cause of a crime, to be no investigation so that your party can have carte blanche to do whatever they want. OK.




The only crime sited by leo officials is the illegal possession, and distribution of the private conversation of an american citizen by the ic. Which means the former potus administration spied on the opposition parties presidential campaign. A situation that surly one who claims to believe in the constitution would have a problem and many questions about.



No, there was illegal distribution (its not illegal for the intelligence community to actually possess intelligence information, what is wrong with you) by way of leaks. Which means EVERY administration far prior to Obama's administration has set policy forth for intelligence gathering.....don't act like spying and it's policies are anything new.



Unless all that blue is blinding you.


It seems to be blinding YOU.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth



We only have confirmation from the FBI that they were spying and of course the actual evidence of transcripts being leaked of secretly recorded phone calls.


So the FBI was spying, not an individual within Obama's cabinet?

Glad we cleared that up.


Yes and they get their authorisation from the Executive branch administration - under Obama at the time.


Which cabinet member gave that authorization?


The authorisation is implicit, as stated.
Perhaps read the AG's guidelines for FBI operations.


So no one within the Obama administration actually gave the order to spy on Trump's campaign.

Cool. We're making progress.


No, he'll just play a different word game. "Administration" has multiple meanings. Let's watch the monkey play with that.


I don't see how. The "administration" has always been comprised of the President, the VP and the cabinet.


The last I checked the AG is part of the cabinet and heads the DoJ. It is the DoJ who give authority to the FBI and therefore are accountable for their actions. No denying it.


Ok. Now can you prove the AG gave the order to the FBI to spy on Trump?


The DoJ gave authorisation as they always do for all FBI operations.


So then, you are left with no choice but to acquiesce that since all of your touts are true, and since there is an on-going investigation (because clearly since the administration in it's entirety is responsible for all "spying"), that the Trump Administration is NOW investigating the ties to Russia within the Trump campaign - or in other words, Trump is spying on himself. (on the taxpayers dime no less)


Yes, I have no doubt that the Trump campaign is now spying on people for all sorts of reasons.
It doesn't change the fact that the Obama Administration was spying on a political opponent leading up to an election.

The bigger point is still the only crime we know of - the leaks. The people responsible for that need to be found and jailed.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 12:52 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Spicer just said that there were others in the Trump's team that were also unmasked .



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 01:00 PM
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originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: UKTruth

Spicer just said that there were others in the Trump's team that were also unmasked .


It's leaking out - Nunes has confirmed the FISA warrant and said that a number of the Trump campaign team were indirectly under surveillance.

Now who knew about the warrant, what was in it (including the one denied), who was involved...?


Members of the intelligence community collected "incidental" communications of the Trump transition team during legal surveillance operations of foreign targets, a top Republican lawmaker said Wednesday afternoon. House Intelligence Chairman Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., said this produced "dozens" of reports which eventually unmasked several individuals’ identities and were "widely disseminated." He said none of the reports he had read mentioned Russia or Russians and he was unsure whether the surveillance occurred at Trump Tower -- as President Trump has suggested. Nunes also was unsure if then President-elect Trump was captured by the surveillance, which occurred in November, December and January.


So,
Was Trump's team spied on? - yes
Was Trump spied on? - possibly but not confirmed.
Did surveillance occur at Trump Tower? - Possibly but not confirmed.
Did Obama order it - Comey says he did not tap Trump Tower, but he did not mention whether Obama was involved with the FISA warrant and whether or not he was briefed.

Trump's tweet is looking more accurate than not.
edit on 22/3/2017 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 01:12 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Spicer also brings up Paul Manafort and gives the limited influence with the campaign and also the distant associations with Russia going back decades ...



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 01:19 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: UKTruth

I thought spying was okay if it reveals criminal activities. Or is that only if the criminal is a Democrat?


But Flynn was/is a Democrat.



So was/is Trump.


"So" what.



The point becomes obvious.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 01:20 PM
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originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: UKTruth

Spicer also brings up Paul Manafort and gives the limited influence with the campaign and also the distant associations with Russia going back decades ...


Yeah hear that - Manafort did some work for Russia a decade ago.
Nothing to do with the campaign.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 01:27 PM
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I wonder why some are so intent on spinning the known facts here?

We've known that some Trump associates are under investigation.

What we see here repeatedly is a desperate attempt to focus away from the fact that these individuals have been investigated into implying (again, fallaciously) that the entire Campaign itself was under illegal surveillance or legal surveillance by "the Obama Administration" and not the FBI or Department of Justice ... as the facts repeatedly describe.

We now know that Mr. Obama did not order unlawful surveillance (or any known surveillance) of Donald Trump personally.

We know that Russian government agents were involved in attempts to manipulate the General Election.

We know that several of Mr. Trump's associates (not his entire Campaign) have been and REMAIN under investigation for their connections to Russian government agents.

Constant repetition of emotion-laden words and terms like "spying" and "Obama Administration" and "Trump Campaign" is obviously designed and deployed here to encourage disinformation.

There's simply no other conclusion based on the facts that are certain.

Obfuscation and misdirection are being applied here, fairly feebly ... one wonders why.


edit on 22-3-2017 by Gryphon66 because: Noted



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 01:31 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth



We only have confirmation from the FBI that they were spying and of course the actual evidence of transcripts being leaked of secretly recorded phone calls.


So the FBI was spying, not an individual within Obama's cabinet?

Glad we cleared that up.


Yes and they get their authorisation from the Executive branch administration - under Obama at the time.


Which cabinet member gave that authorization?


The authorisation is implicit, as stated.
Perhaps read the AG's guidelines for FBI operations.


So no one within the Obama administration actually gave the order to spy on Trump's campaign.

Cool. We're making progress.


No, he'll just play a different word game. "Administration" has multiple meanings. Let's watch the monkey play with that.


I don't see how. The "administration" has always been comprised of the President, the VP and the cabinet.


The last I checked the AG is part of the cabinet and heads the DoJ. It is the DoJ who give authority to the FBI and therefore are accountable for their actions. No denying it.


Ok. Now can you prove the AG gave the order to the FBI to spy on Trump?


The DoJ gave authorisation as they always do for all FBI operations.


So then, you are left with no choice but to acquiesce that since all of your touts are true, and since there is an on-going investigation (because clearly since the administration in it's entirety is responsible for all "spying"), that the Trump Administration is NOW investigating the ties to Russia within the Trump campaign - or in other words, Trump is spying on himself. (on the taxpayers dime no less)


It doesn't change the fact that the Obama Administration was spying on a political opponent leading up to an election.



Please substantiate that "fact"?

It seems that the Intelligence Community, FBI, Obama Admin and GOP in congress have all now debunked that claim?



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 01:34 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: UKTruth

Spicer also brings up Paul Manafort and gives the limited influence with the campaign and also the distant associations with Russia going back decades ...


Yeah hear that - Manafort did some work for Russia a decade ago.
Nothing to do with the campaign.


He was/is secretly working as a foreign agent for Russia...and hid the fact through shell corporations and public denials.

It is unknown if he is/was working for Russia in 2016/2017..

It is known that he continues to have contact with Trump and that Manafort and Trump worked to rewrite the RNC position on Ukraine etc. etc.

But circling back to what we DO know about his past work for Putin...Manafort can be charged with failure to register as a foreign agent.
edit on 22-3-2017 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 01:37 PM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: UKTruth

Spicer also brings up Paul Manafort and gives the limited influence with the campaign and also the distant associations with Russia going back decades ...


Yeah hear that - Manafort did some work for Russia a decade ago.
Nothing to do with the campaign.


He was/is secretly working as a foreign agent for Russia...and hid the fact through shell corporations and public denials.

It is unknown if he is/was working for Russia in 2016/2017..

It is known that he continues to have contact with Trump and that Manafort and Trump worked to rewrite the RNC position on Ukraine etc. etc.

But circling back to what we DO know about his past work for Putin...Manafort can be charged with failure to register as a foreign agent.


Can you source his recent contacts with Trump?
Can you source where Manafort worked with Trump to rewrite the Republican platform? (note: it wasn't rewritten, an amendment was changed, sensibly)

If this is the extent of the 'evidence' you are sunk.
edit on 22/3/2017 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 01:38 PM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth



We only have confirmation from the FBI that they were spying and of course the actual evidence of transcripts being leaked of secretly recorded phone calls.


So the FBI was spying, not an individual within Obama's cabinet?

Glad we cleared that up.


Yes and they get their authorisation from the Executive branch administration - under Obama at the time.


Which cabinet member gave that authorization?


The authorisation is implicit, as stated.
Perhaps read the AG's guidelines for FBI operations.


So no one within the Obama administration actually gave the order to spy on Trump's campaign.

Cool. We're making progress.


No, he'll just play a different word game. "Administration" has multiple meanings. Let's watch the monkey play with that.


I don't see how. The "administration" has always been comprised of the President, the VP and the cabinet.


The last I checked the AG is part of the cabinet and heads the DoJ. It is the DoJ who give authority to the FBI and therefore are accountable for their actions. No denying it.


Ok. Now can you prove the AG gave the order to the FBI to spy on Trump?


The DoJ gave authorisation as they always do for all FBI operations.


So then, you are left with no choice but to acquiesce that since all of your touts are true, and since there is an on-going investigation (because clearly since the administration in it's entirety is responsible for all "spying"), that the Trump Administration is NOW investigating the ties to Russia within the Trump campaign - or in other words, Trump is spying on himself. (on the taxpayers dime no less)


It doesn't change the fact that the Obama Administration was spying on a political opponent leading up to an election.



Please substantiate that "fact"?

It seems that the Intelligence Community, FBI, Obama Admin and GOP in congress have all now debunked that claim?


Already have.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 01:39 PM
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a reply to: the2ofusr1

He orchestrated the entire convention . Give me a break. Limited. Pffft.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 01:42 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
I wonder why some are so intent on spinning the known facts here?

We've known that some Trump associates are under investigation.

What we see here repeatedly is a desperate attempt to focus away from the fact that these individuals have been investigated into implying (again, fallaciously) that the entire Campaign itself was under illegal surveillance or legal surveillance by "the Obama Administration" and not the FBI or Department of Justice ... as the facts repeatedly describe.

We now know that Mr. Obama did not order unlawful surveillance (or any known surveillance) of Donald Trump personally.

We know that Russian government agents were involved in attempts to manipulate the General Election.

We know that several of Mr. Trump's associates (not his entire Campaign) have been and REMAIN under investigation for their connections to Russian government agents.

Constant repetition of emotion-laden words and terms like "spying" and "Obama Administration" and "Trump Campaign" is obviously designed and deployed here to encourage disinformation.

There's simply no other conclusion based on the facts that are certain.

Obfuscation and misdirection are being applied here, fairly feebly ... one wonders why.



The surveillance being unlawful or lawful is not the question.
We now know several Trump campaign members were surveilled and then information unmasked and shared (not just Flynn)
Last week there was apparently no FISA warrant, now there is. We need to know the contents and who was involved, especially who it was shared with.




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