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posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 06:27 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

Not at all.

DJW001 was using one sense of the word to refer to your observation of their posts.

You are using another sense of the word to overstate what has happened to some Trump associates.

DJW001 was pointing to the silly word games you're attempting to play and getting called out on.

You've admitted here that the entire Obama Administration was not surveilling the Trump Campaign, you've admitted that aside from what the FBI and by extension the DOJ have revealed you don't have any evidence of any other surveillance of anyone, and furthermore, you've done nothing to prove that any American has been "spied" on ...

And now you're desperately trying to muddy the waters after dumping barrels of red herring in ...

I'd say even the staunchest Trump zealots here are embarrassed by your performance.


Sounds like you've reverted to confirming your own opinions again - you do that a lot.. perhaps it's a coping mechanism...

Anyhow, it's not me who complained about the use of the word spying in relation to Flynn whilst insisting that reading a forum IS spying. I am enjoying the word salad of an argument you have on that though.

Regardless, we know that the Obama Administration was spying on the Trump campaign, as confirmed by Comey.
edit on 22/3/2017 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)




posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 06:27 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

Again, you don't seem to understand generic reference ... when you say "the Obama Administration" you ARE referring to it as a whole.

If you mean to be specific and say "FBI" or "Department of Justice" as parts of the Administration, just do so.

Or, admit that you're playing sophomoric semantics and we can all move on.


No, I am referring to what I say I am referring to.
For clarity, people within the Obama administration were spying on the Trump campaign.


Don't you mean people within the IC were spying on foreign targets and the Trump campaign got itself mixed in with it?

If not, which member of Obama's cabinet was sitting at the computer spying on Trump?


The story keeps changing as time goes on.

First it wasn't the entire Administration, then it is ... then some Trump associates and not the whole Campaign ...

Confusion and desperation are readily apparent here.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 06:28 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth

... and now you want to try ad hominem and attack me.

Wow, you are going for a fallacy trifecta today!

No, "we" don't know that "the Obama Administration was spying on the Trump Campaign" ... and you, yourself have admitted that.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 06:30 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

Again, you don't seem to understand generic reference ... when you say "the Obama Administration" you ARE referring to it as a whole.

If you mean to be specific and say "FBI" or "Department of Justice" as parts of the Administration, just do so.

Or, admit that you're playing sophomoric semantics and we can all move on.


No, I am referring to what I say I am referring to.
For clarity, people within the Obama administration were spying on the Trump campaign.


Don't you mean people within the IC were spying on foreign targets and people within the Trump campaign got themselves mixed in with it?

If not, which member of Obama's cabinet was sitting at the computer spying on Trump?


As yet we don't know which people in the Obama administration were involved in the spying.

We only have confirmation from the FBI that they were spying and of course the actual evidence of transcripts being leaked of secretly recorded phone calls.

It's good to keep digging into it though, as the leaking is the only crime we know of and by far the most important aspect of this.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 06:32 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

Again, you don't seem to understand generic reference ... when you say "the Obama Administration" you ARE referring to it as a whole.

If you mean to be specific and say "FBI" or "Department of Justice" as parts of the Administration, just do so.

Or, admit that you're playing sophomoric semantics and we can all move on.


No, I am referring to what I say I am referring to.
For clarity, people within the Obama administration were spying on the Trump campaign.


Don't you mean people within the IC were spying on foreign targets and the Trump campaign got itself mixed in with it?

If not, which member of Obama's cabinet was sitting at the computer spying on Trump?


The story keeps changing as time goes on.

First it wasn't the entire Administration, then it is ... then some Trump associates and not the whole Campaign ...

Confusion and desperation are readily apparent here.


I agree.

No matter what, the goal appears to be keeping Obama's name at the forefront of the narrative and implying his administration was spying on Trump's campaign.

In proper context, that is not the case, but that is the narrative being set.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 06:33 AM
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We only have confirmation from the FBI that they were spying and of course the actual evidence of transcripts being leaked of secretly recorded phone calls.


So the FBI was spying, not an individual within Obama's cabinet?

Glad we cleared that up.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 06:36 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

... and now you want to try ad hominem and attack me.

Wow, you are going for a fallacy trifecta today!

No, "we" don't know that "the Obama Administration was spying on the Trump Campaign" ... and you, yourself have admitted that.


Why do you whine about being 'attacked'? Do you even read your own posts?

Yes, we know that the Obama administration was spying on the Trump campaign, as has been highlighted.
Again:

Comey admitted that counter intelligence operations were carried out to determine, in his words, if there was any coordination between the Trump campaign and the Russians. He did not just mention the Russians hacking into the DNC or anywhere else. He explicitly talked about the objective to include the Trump campaign.

Secret recordings of phone calls involving Flynn have been shared and leaked - in the form of transcripts.

The FBI implicitly gains authorisation for it's activities from the DoJ, a the time under the Obama administration.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 06:37 AM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth



We only have confirmation from the FBI that they were spying and of course the actual evidence of transcripts being leaked of secretly recorded phone calls.


So the FBI was spying, not an individual within Obama's cabinet?

Glad we cleared that up.


Yes and they get their authorisation from the Executive branch administration - under Obama at the time.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 06:38 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Posting the same fallacy over and over again does not make it true. Why is it you are able to post this rubbish 24/7?



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 06:39 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth



We only have confirmation from the FBI that they were spying and of course the actual evidence of transcripts being leaked of secretly recorded phone calls.


So the FBI was spying, not an individual within Obama's cabinet?

Glad we cleared that up.


Yes and they get their authorisation from the Executive branch administration - under Obama at the time.


They get their authority, not their authorization. Authority can be exercised without authorization.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 06:42 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: UKTruth

Posting the same fallacy over and over again does not make it true. Why is it you are able to post this rubbish 24/7?


Posting facts often needs to be done when there are those that are trying to deny said facts.
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posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 06:42 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth



We only have confirmation from the FBI that they were spying and of course the actual evidence of transcripts being leaked of secretly recorded phone calls.


So the FBI was spying, not an individual within Obama's cabinet?

Glad we cleared that up.


Yes and they get their authorisation from the Executive branch administration - under Obama at the time.


Which cabinet member gave that authorization?



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 06:43 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth



We only have confirmation from the FBI that they were spying and of course the actual evidence of transcripts being leaked of secretly recorded phone calls.


So the FBI was spying, not an individual within Obama's cabinet?

Glad we cleared that up.


Yes and they get their authorisation from the Executive branch administration - under Obama at the time.


Which cabinet member gave that authorization?


The authorisation is implicit, as stated.
Perhaps read the AG's guidelines for FBI operations.

When your boss gives you implicit authority to do something then your boss is accountable for your actions.
edit on 22/3/2017 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 06:46 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth



We only have confirmation from the FBI that they were spying and of course the actual evidence of transcripts being leaked of secretly recorded phone calls.


So the FBI was spying, not an individual within Obama's cabinet?

Glad we cleared that up.


Yes and they get their authorisation from the Executive branch administration - under Obama at the time.


Which cabinet member gave that authorization?


The authorisation is implicit, as stated.
Perhaps read the AG's guidelines for FBI operations.


So no one within the Obama administration actually gave the order to spy on Trump's campaign.

Cool. We're making progress.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 06:46 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth



We only have confirmation from the FBI that they were spying and of course the actual evidence of transcripts being leaked of secretly recorded phone calls.


So the FBI was spying, not an individual within Obama's cabinet?

Glad we cleared that up.


Yes and they get their authorisation from the Executive branch administration - under Obama at the time.


Which cabinet member gave that authorization?


The authorisation is implicit, as stated.
Perhaps read the AG's guidelines for FBI operations.


So no-one in the cabinet actually authorized or ordered the investigation. Why pretend otherwise?



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 06:48 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth



We only have confirmation from the FBI that they were spying and of course the actual evidence of transcripts being leaked of secretly recorded phone calls.


So the FBI was spying, not an individual within Obama's cabinet?

Glad we cleared that up.


Yes and they get their authorisation from the Executive branch administration - under Obama at the time.


Which cabinet member gave that authorization?


The authorisation is implicit, as stated.
Perhaps read the AG's guidelines for FBI operations.


So no one within the Obama administration actually gave the order to spy on Trump's campaign.

Cool. We're making progress.


No, he'll just play a different word game. "Administration" has multiple meanings. Let's watch the monkey play with that.
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posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 06:51 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth



We only have confirmation from the FBI that they were spying and of course the actual evidence of transcripts being leaked of secretly recorded phone calls.


So the FBI was spying, not an individual within Obama's cabinet?

Glad we cleared that up.


Yes and they get their authorisation from the Executive branch administration - under Obama at the time.


Which cabinet member gave that authorization?


The authorisation is implicit, as stated.
Perhaps read the AG's guidelines for FBI operations.


So no one within the Obama administration actually gave the order to spy on Trump's campaign.

Cool. We're making progress.


No, he'll just play a different word game. "Administration" has multiple meanings. Let's watch the monkey play with that.


I don't see how. The "administration" has always been comprised of the President, the VP and the cabinet.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 06:53 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth



We only have confirmation from the FBI that they were spying and of course the actual evidence of transcripts being leaked of secretly recorded phone calls.


So the FBI was spying, not an individual within Obama's cabinet?

Glad we cleared that up.


Yes and they get their authorisation from the Executive branch administration - under Obama at the time.


Which cabinet member gave that authorization?


The authorisation is implicit, as stated.
Perhaps read the AG's guidelines for FBI operations.


So no one within the Obama administration actually gave the order to spy on Trump's campaign.

Cool. We're making progress.


As stated several posts ago (which would suggest the progress is your eventual understanding) we know that the DoJ gives implicit authorisation to the FBI.
We don't know yet if there was explicit conversation between members of the Obama administration and the FBI regarding spying on the Trump campaign. I am sure Gowdy will dig further into who was involved and also who could have had access to the unmasked information to leak it.

To be clear, implicit authorisation is still authorisation, unless you think those higher up the chain are not responsible for their policy.

So the Obama Administration was spying on the Trump campaign.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 06:54 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth



We only have confirmation from the FBI that they were spying and of course the actual evidence of transcripts being leaked of secretly recorded phone calls.


So the FBI was spying, not an individual within Obama's cabinet?

Glad we cleared that up.


Yes and they get their authorisation from the Executive branch administration - under Obama at the time.


Which cabinet member gave that authorization?


The authorisation is implicit, as stated.
Perhaps read the AG's guidelines for FBI operations.


So no one within the Obama administration actually gave the order to spy on Trump's campaign.

Cool. We're making progress.


No, he'll just play a different word game. "Administration" has multiple meanings. Let's watch the monkey play with that.


I don't see how. The "administration" has always been comprised of the President, the VP and the cabinet.


He keeps using it in the same sense that the British use the word "government." Get it? It can also be used as a gerund!
edit on 22-3-2017 by DJW001 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 06:55 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth



We only have confirmation from the FBI that they were spying and of course the actual evidence of transcripts being leaked of secretly recorded phone calls.


So the FBI was spying, not an individual within Obama's cabinet?

Glad we cleared that up.


Yes and they get their authorisation from the Executive branch administration - under Obama at the time.


Which cabinet member gave that authorization?


The authorisation is implicit, as stated.
Perhaps read the AG's guidelines for FBI operations.


So no one within the Obama administration actually gave the order to spy on Trump's campaign.

Cool. We're making progress.


No, he'll just play a different word game. "Administration" has multiple meanings. Let's watch the monkey play with that.


Lol, you are awfully triggered. Monkey? lol.

It seems the fact that the Obama administration was spying on the Trump campaign is something that you want to deny at all costs, despite it being the truth.




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