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Donald Trump has just directly accused Obama of wiretapping Trump residence.

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posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 01:05 PM
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a reply to: RomeByFire

Alex Jones spins just as much bs as CNN- keeps the slave vs slave left and right paradigm rolling whilst 535 feed happily at the trough of special interests that own both sides,but I digress the US is supposedly a nation of laws what is important here is was a law broken and the answer is only if the surveillance went beyond the authorised 30 days.




posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 01:05 PM
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originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: introvert

But his Democrat judges do have that authority and did exersize it



It's not a defense. That's how the process takes place.

You are trying to spin all blame on to Obama.

We were having such a nice conversation until you decided to start doing your standard partisan spin.



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 01:05 PM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth



The question will be whether he in any way approved it - especially if it was he who ordered the investigation.


Again, he cannot approve a wiretap. A judge has to do that.



You are right about waiting for more information. My position right now is that this is a major issue that is going to seriously hurt one party or the other, depending on what we find out. I could not, and would not, defend Trump if this turns out to be nothing more than speculation on his part. It's too serious to be throwing that stuff out without some evidence.


Someone is going to get hurt by this. That's for sure.


He can approve the request, and could have been involved in the re-crafting of the request once the first one was denied... the notion that he was not complicit because he doesn't have the final approval is weak. He could have driven the whole agenda and had his team push FISA for approval.


Again, the request has to be taken in front of a judge.


Yep - but who ordered the request? Blaming the judge for approving such a request is nonsense.

Obama : "i'd like to wire tap Trump"
Judge : "Ok then"



WTF? How ignorant can one be of the law?

No...Presidents can not order a wire-tap on Joe the Plummer, Trump, A Mafia Boss or a known American spy..

Presidents Can not order wire-taps on anyone...It is not within their legal authority.

Trump created this FAKE, FALSE, LIBELOUS CLAIM after hearing a right wing nut job propose the possibility on his radio talk show.

I think Trump...being apt to believe anything he hears on fringe radio programs...Has proven himself to be a clear and present danger to the United States, lacking capacity to discern reality from delusion.

Trump should present evidence or resign.


Full details of the FBI activity and their discussions with Obama on this subject must be made public.
Only then will we know exactly what hand Obama played in it.

Good try in attempting to divorce the architect from the builder though. Slippery defence, but very transparent.



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 01:05 PM
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I wonder if Bernie was wire tapped too.

Someone should probably look into that.



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 01:06 PM
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edit on 4-3-2017 by introvert because: nm



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 01:06 PM
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originally posted by: MysticPearl
I wonder if Bernie was wire tapped too.

Someone should probably look into that.


He most likely was.

Trump haters actually have outdone Nixon.



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 01:06 PM
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a reply to: introvert

my opinion is the post at the top of this page



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 01:07 PM
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You know what is hilarious about this. Trump tweets without any evidence to back up that he was wiretapped by Obama. Then a lot of people on here are accepting it as fact even though it is just a rumour.

Mention Russia and Trump, FAKE NEWS!!!! Even though people is his admin lied about talking with Russia and proves that there may actually be something to it.



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 01:07 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Sillyolme
Obama spokes person

They never ordered a tap or filed for a FISA warrant or interfered with any investigation of the dept of justice.

It should also be noted that trump isn't getting much support in this claim within the beltway.


LOL



LOL nice try.



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 01:07 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: introvert

But his Democrat judges do have that authority and did exersize it



It's not a defense. That's how the process takes place.

You are trying to spin all blame on to Obama.

We were having such a nice conversation until you decided to start doing your standard partisan spin.


The approval for a wire tap comes in response to a request, obviously.
Who requested it and what role did Obama play in that request? That is what we need to know, because it is looking more and more like there was indeed a wire tap in Trump Tower.

edit on 4/3/2017 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 01:07 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: UKTruth

The FBI sought and obtained the FISA warrant, not President Obama, not the West Wing.


The FBI were in Obama's chain of command.
Lets see full disclosure of their discussions with him on this subject...



AWESOME...LETS DO EXACTLY THAT...A FULL ACCOUNTING AND DISCLOSURE OF THE FBI INVESTIGATION INTO TRUMPS RUSSSIA COLLUSION, WHAT FISA WARRANTS WERE ISSUED, WHO WAS TALKING TO WHOM, TRANSCRIPTS OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS...ALL OF IT!

Thus far Comey has not publicly shared the evidence of the ongoing investigation...Good that we agree.



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 01:08 PM
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a reply to: mikegrouchy




posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 01:08 PM
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originally posted by: MysticPearl
The Obama administration wire tapped most of our allies abroad, even Merkel. The idea it's crazy to think he didn't wiretap his party's opponent is well, crazy, especially in the face of the documented paper trail others have posted.

The requests by Obama's administration were made to do just that.


Contain yourself, it's quite possible many liberals will destroy themselves dismissing allegations and defending the Obama administration on all of this.

Don't discourage them.




posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 01:09 PM
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I waiting for Trump prof of the wiretapping, I wonder if Trump is going to base his allegations on what happen before he became president and the FISA issue.

I want the prof.



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 01:09 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: introvert

But his Democrat judges do have that authority and did exersize it



It's not a defense. That's how the process takes place.

You are trying to spin all blame on to Obama.

We were having such a nice conversation until you decided to start doing your standard partisan spin.


The approval for a wire tap comes in response to a request, obviously.
Who requested it and what role did Obama play in that request? That is what we need to know, because it is looking more and more like there was indeed a wire tap in Trump Tower.


Correct. We need answers before we "blame" anyone, if there is even a reason to blame them. They may have been fully justified in their actions.



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 01:09 PM
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originally posted by: Mictain
You know what is hilarious about this. Trump tweets without any evidence to back up that he was wiretapped by Obama. Then a lot of people on here are accepting it as fact even though it is just a rumour.

Mention Russia and Trump, FAKE NEWS!!!! Even though people is his admin lied about talking with Russia and proves that there may actually be something to it.



Which "people in his [Trump's] admin." lied about Russia?
edit on 4-3-2017 by SBMcG because: Bill Clinton's wife lost the popular vote.



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 01:09 PM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: UKTruth

The FBI sought and obtained the FISA warrant, not President Obama, not the West Wing.


Maybe Comey set it up in anticipation of "leaking" it out !!

Major collateral.




posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 01:09 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

yes they can as has been pointed out -


The President may authorize, through the Attorney General, electronic surveillance without a court order for the period of one year provided it is only for foreign intelligence information;[7] targeting foreign powers as defined by 50 U.S.C. § 1801(a)(1),(2),(3)[12] in certain conditions; and there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party.[13]


en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 01:09 PM
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originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: RomeByFire

Alex Jones spins just as much bs as CNN- keeps the slave vs slave left and right paradigm rolling whilst 535 feed happily at the trough of special interests that own both sides,but I digress the US is supposedly a nation of laws what is important here is was a law broken and the answer is only if the surveillance went beyond the authorised 30 days.



And as of now, there is no proof. And the thing about proof - it's the sole responsibility of one making the claim.

People are confused. They think there needs to be proof to the contrary to prove Donald's claims wrong, but that's not how it works.

The burden of proof lies on he/she who makes the claim, not anyone else.

All news has an agenda, spin, or a narrative.



posted on Mar, 4 2017 @ 01:10 PM
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a reply to: neo96

No wonder they kept pressing the "Russian" propaganda !!





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