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Donald Trump has just directly accused Obama of wiretapping Trump residence.

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posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 02:52 PM
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originally posted by: 1984Wacher
At long last, after months of hiding, Christopher Steele reveals himself.

www.telegraph.co.uk...


He reeks to high heaven of a political hit job,
hard to imagine John McCain would have even
touched that dossier, then again maybe
it was right up his ally.

Entire picture points to coordinated effort to prevent a
Trump presidency, and now that he is a continuing effort
to subvert his authority and effectiveness.




posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 02:52 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

Nothing to disagree with there...

The open question is whether Trump is careless with his facts/words/accusations...Or if it is strategic to provoke the media/public back and forth around the veracity.

However we differ on our views of Trump...I think we can agree he manages to create storms of controversy on a whim..

Whether that is simply his nature or if it is strategic distraction? Whether he actually believes his own BS or if it is just useful BS to create a storm? (Ex: Pres. Obama born Kenya...then changed mind when it was a liability and not a weapon)

I can't answer those questions..



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 02:56 PM
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General question: If we can't depend on a public figure's EXACT WORDS to be truthful and meaningful as they are stated, how do we know what the truth is?



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 02:58 PM
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A new lead on Seth Rich. A GOP lobbyist thinks Russia killed him after he discovered Russia hacked DNC.

dcist.com...



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 03:01 PM
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originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: 1984Wacher
At long last, after months of hiding, Christopher Steele reveals himself.

www.telegraph.co.uk...


He reeks to high heaven of a political hit job,
hard to imagine John McCain would have even
touched that dossier, then again maybe
it was right up his ally.



There is multiple reports that the Dossier was just one on many. European intelligence sources were circulating and handed over OTHER dossiers to US Intelligence as well.

Seeing as the one source in the Dossier that wasn't well concealed (The Rosneft-Putin liaison) ended up dead in the back of his car in Moscow and several others were arrested on Treason charges after the Dossier went public..and for many other reasons...I believe the Dossier had a lot of accuracy to it, if not completely vetted.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 03:02 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
General question: If we can't depend on a public figure's EXACT WORDS to be truthful and meaningful as they are stated, how do we know what the truth is?


that hasn't bothered trump voters so far, why should it now?



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 03:02 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
General question: If we can't depend on a public figure's EXACT WORDS to be truthful and meaningful as they are stated, how do we know what the truth is?


war on truth...



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 03:03 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
Here's where I am with the topic.

Trump tweeted again today that Obama had released re-offenders from Guantanimo.

(He hadn't, which someone discovered in about 10 minutes; it was GW)



I follow Trump on Twitter and he's said nothing of the sort.


Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 9h9 hours ago More 122 vicious prisoners, released by the Obama Administration from Gitmo, have returned to the battlefield. Just another terrible decision!



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 03:05 PM
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originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: Gryphon66
General question: If we can't depend on a public figure's EXACT WORDS to be truthful and meaningful as they are stated, how do we know what the truth is?


that hasn't bothered trump voters so far, why should it now?


I'm a proud Trump supporter and have found him a much more reliable source of truth than proven liar Obama.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 03:06 PM
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a reply to: SBMcG

The tweet you just quoted is another of Donalds lies.

122 is total bulls#!t.

The true number is 9.
edit on 7-3-2017 by Grimpachi because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 03:08 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: SBMcG

The tweet you just quoted is another of Donalds lies.

122 is total bulls#!t.

The true number is 9.


Failed dimwit Obama is a proven liar, so why don't you go a. and give me a source to back up your claim?



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 03:08 PM
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originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Here's where I am with the topic.

Trump tweeted again today that Obama had released re-offenders from Guantanimo.

(He hadn't, which someone discovered in about 10 minutes; it was GW)



I follow Trump on Twitter and he's said nothing of the sort.


Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 9h9 hours ago More 122 vicious prisoners, released by the Obama Administration from Gitmo, have returned to the battlefield. Just another terrible decision!


what part of the phrase "returned to the battlefield" do you not understand?.....if they "returned to the battlefield" they are re-offenders...they have engaged in battle......



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 03:09 PM
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These days politicians lie right to your face. Private face. Public face. Just like what wikleaks revealed. Hillary Clinton says she is hostile to Russia. Where's the evidence of that? Barack Obama says he is hostile to Russia. Where's the evidence of that? I haven't seen any such evidence that can back up their claims.

It is difficult to tell what is fake and what is genuine.
edit on 7-3-2017 by 1984Wacher because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 03:10 PM
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originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: SBMcG

The tweet you just quoted is another of Donalds lies.

122 is total bulls#!t.

The true number is 9.


Failed dimwit Obama is a proven liar, so why don't you go a. and give me a source to back up your claim?


trump, the current president is a proven liar

BUT OBAMA!!!!!!!!




posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 03:10 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
General question: If we can't depend on a public figure's EXACT WORDS to be truthful and meaningful as they are stated, how do we know what the truth is?


Great question.

Trump seems to exaggerate or lie about things.

The best way to no the truth is to have an investigation.

Look how Obamas response thorugh his spokesman was just as much of a lie, just done in a smoother manner than Trump.

They claimed the never ordered surveillance on American citizens. But we know Rosen and others were surveilled. So Obama lied through semantics, which he did all the time. Remember how he tried to weasle out of the "if you like your plan you can keep it"

I don't think Trump lying or exaggerating is anything new in the office of the President. He just is a less smotth liar than Obama.

So lets see what the investigation shows.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 03:14 PM
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originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: Gryphon66
General question: If we can't depend on a public figure's EXACT WORDS to be truthful and meaningful as they are stated, how do we know what the truth is?


that hasn't bothered trump voters so far, why should it now?


I'm a proud Trump supporter and have found him a much more reliable source of truth than proven liar Obama.[/quote

then you do not know the definition of the phrase "reliable source of truth"....



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 03:14 PM
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originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: SBMcG

The tweet you just quoted is another of Donalds lies.

122 is total bulls#!t.

The true number is 9.


Failed dimwit Obama is a proven liar, so why don't you go a. and give me a source to back up your claim?


I already did. Look above your post.

For proven lies Trump holds the record. He can't seem to get through a single speech without lying .



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 03:15 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

None of that had anything to do with Trump.
The The Rosneft-Putin connection actually leads
smack into the middle of Marc Rich, Hillary Clinton
and the DOJ.

www.bloomberg.com...
www.economist.com...
Forbes


In fact, that deal was done before Trump took office through Obama
Administration, highly unusual way of skirting Russian sanctions.








edit on 7-3-2017 by burntheships because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

An investigation in Congress among some of the most vile denizens of the swamp (can we all agree on that at least?)

The House will be grandstanding for re-election coming up in two years.

The Senate will continue to do nothing as it has done nothing.

I'm not so sure ...

Perhaps if a Special Prosecutor were appointed that could garner bipartisan respect?



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 03:20 PM
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originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Here's where I am with the topic.

Trump tweeted again today that Obama had released re-offenders from Guantanimo.

(He hadn't, which someone discovered in about 10 minutes; it was GW)



I follow Trump on Twitter and he's said nothing of the sort.


Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 9h9 hours ago More 122 vicious prisoners, released by the Obama Administration from Gitmo, have returned to the battlefield. Just another terrible decision!


what part of the phrase "returned to the battlefield" do you not understand?.....if they "returned to the battlefield" they are re-offenders...they have engaged in battle......


What part of "returned to the battlefield" don't you understand? these terrorist were cut loose by a truly failed dimwit -- the soon-to-be-prosecuted Obama. To a terrorist, the entire world is their battlefield.

And for the record, Obama is 100 times the LIAR Trump could ever be.




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