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Donald Trump has just directly accused Obama of wiretapping Trump residence.

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posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 08:06 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth


So, lets find the criminals who were and are leaking and punish them. I think everyone should at least agree with that.


I don't disagree in theory ... but be careful what you ask for.

Unintended consequences and black swans and such ... leaks don't always happen from the most obvious places.




posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 08:13 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

There is no black swan when you are trying to remove seditious traitors from within the government.

Although, seeing it become another "Red Scare" where people lose their collective minds isn't someting that I'd like to see.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 08:16 AM
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No new revelations in this vids but a old one that has to be figured in . It could be that Trump/team could provide prof at the end of the day but when that day comes most if not all of the dark IC may be gone .



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 08:29 AM
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Morning all.

This is lsightly off topic but could speak to this issue.

The supposed surveillance of Trump is all based on the fact that all of these intelligence agencies are positive that the Russians hacked the DNC.

Well the wikileaks dump today shows in part that the CIA has technology that is capable of framing countries like Russia and making it look like they hacked people.


UMBRAGE

The CIA's hand crafted hacking techniques pose a problem for the agency. Each technique it has created forms a "fingerprint" that can be used by forensic investigators to attribute multiple different attacks to the same entity.

This is analogous to finding the same distinctive knife wound on multiple separate murder victims. The unique wounding style creates suspicion that a single murderer is responsible. As soon one murder in the set is solved then the other murders also find likely attribution.

The CIA's Remote Devices Branch's UMBRAGE group collects and maintains a substantial library of attack techniques 'stolen' from malware produced in other states including the Russian Federation.

With UMBRAGE and related projects the CIA cannot only increase its total number of attack types but also misdirect attribution by leaving behind the "fingerprints" of the groups that the attack techniques were stolen from.

UMBRAGE components cover keyloggers, password collection, webcam capture, data destruction, persistence, privilege escalation, stealth, anti-virus (PSP) avoidance and survey techniques.


www.zerohedge.com...

This certainly isn't proof that Russia didn't hack the DNC, but it surely casts doubt on the certainty of it.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 08:33 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

Or, just simply hack DNC from a location in Russia and then say hey look the IP address of the hacker is from Russia.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 09:01 AM
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a reply to: Grambler


So the CIA, who Donald Trump has derided as "Nazi's", conspired over a year to hack the DNC and conduct a massive online propaganda campaign, coordinating extensively with WikiLeaks? Who also leaked this CIA material exposing the supposed plot?...to help get Donald Trump elected?? The guy who repeated and viscously railed into them before and after being elected?


Explain that to me please...



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 09:03 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Clapper, of his own arrangement, was on the sunday meet the press to respond to the potus accusations of wiretapping.
www.mcclatchydc.com...



Clapper, who served as director for more than six years before he departed in January, also said he knew of no evidence that members of Trump’s campaign had colluded with Russia during the election campaign and that no suggestion that they had was made in a January report on the subject. “We did not include anything in our report … that had any reflection of collusion between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians,” he said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “There was no evidence of that included in our report. We had no evidence of such collusion.” Read more here: www.mcclatchydc.com...=cpy




Clapper was categorical in his “Meet the Press” appearance. “There was no such wiretap activity mounted against the president, the president-elect at the time, or as a candidate, or against his campaign,” Clapper said. Clapper also denied that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court had authorized any wiretap. “I can deny it,” he said. But he said he couldn’t speak for “other authorized entities in the government or a state or local entity.” Read more here: www.mcclatchydc.com...=cpy

So imo that eliminates the legal avenue to use data from ANYONE in the trump campaign.
Which does not square with this...
www.foxnews.com...



WASHINGTON – The Justice Department warned the Trump administration about embattled national security adviser Michael Flynn's contacts with Russia, two people with knowledge of the situation told The Associated Press on Monday night. One of the people said the Justice Department alerted the White House that there was a discrepancy between what officials were saying publicly about the contacts and the facts of what had occurred. The person said the Justice Department was concerned Flynn could be in a compromised position. A Trump administration official said the White House has been aware of the Justice Department warning for "weeks." The official would not say if the president had been briefed on the matter.

Guess what???
Without a fisa warrant ANY data from an american citizen is off limits.
Also how does this square with what clapper offered on sunday? Was clapper not involved with this; because his statement on mtp indicates differently.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 09:03 AM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Gryphon66

There is no black swan when you are trying to remove seditious traitors from within the government.

Although, seeing it become another "Red Scare" where people lose their collective minds isn't someting that I'd like to see.


Find and remove all "seditious traitors from within government"...except the ones that were working for or with Russian FSB...Understood.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 09:04 AM
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a reply to: Indigo5

Private face. Public face. You can never tell a politician's intention of what he says in public. In fact, you'd bet their intention is exactly opposite of what they say in public.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 09:10 AM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

Trump is a puppet to do what? Nuke America?



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 09:11 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

That will be a huge knot to untangle. It appears it is from another whistleblower.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 09:12 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Gryphon66

Guess what???
Without a fisa warrant ANY data from an american citizen is off limits.
Also how does this square with what clapper offered on sunday? Was clapper not involved with this; because his statement on mtp indicates differently.


Not sure how many times you need it explained to you.

Flynn's communications were not picked up via a wire-tap on Flynn..

They were picked via a wire-tap on Kisylak..

And NSA/FBI's motivation for sharing with WH counsel was not prosecutorial, but rather to mitigate black-mail risks.

The President's Chief National Security Advisor had had meetings and conversations with Russia's Chief representative in the US and had assured him sanctions would be reversed once Trump took office...And then LIED about it...to the Press, to the Vice President..causing the Vice President to unwittingly lie to the public.

The Chief National Security advisor to the President was a severe blackmail risk and that had to be dealt with.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 09:12 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler
Morning all.

This is lsightly off topic but could speak to this issue.

The supposed surveillance of Trump is all based on the fact that all of these intelligence agencies are positive that the Russians hacked the DNC.

Well the wikileaks dump today shows in part that the CIA has technology that is capable of framing countries like Russia and making it look like they hacked people.


UMBRAGE

The CIA's hand crafted hacking techniques pose a problem for the agency. Each technique it has created forms a "fingerprint" that can be used by forensic investigators to attribute multiple different attacks to the same entity.

This is analogous to finding the same distinctive knife wound on multiple separate murder victims. The unique wounding style creates suspicion that a single murderer is responsible. As soon one murder in the set is solved then the other murders also find likely attribution.

The CIA's Remote Devices Branch's UMBRAGE group collects and maintains a substantial library of attack techniques 'stolen' from malware produced in other states including the Russian Federation.

With UMBRAGE and related projects the CIA cannot only increase its total number of attack types but also misdirect attribution by leaving behind the "fingerprints" of the groups that the attack techniques were stolen from.

UMBRAGE components cover keyloggers, password collection, webcam capture, data destruction, persistence, privilege escalation, stealth, anti-virus (PSP) avoidance and survey techniques.


www.zerohedge.com...

This certainly isn't proof that Russia didn't hack the DNC, but it surely casts doubt on the certainty of it.

Yes.
We keep hearing about how we can't believe a word that Trump has to say.

I have no reason to believe what anyone connected to the previous administration says.

We live in a society where just about anything can be concocted digitally to look like something else. I am almost tempted to become a Luddite.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 09:14 AM
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a reply to: Indigo5

Is there a transcript of the Flynn conversation? Who does Flynn think he is speaking on Trump's behalf. Last I checked, he was not the president.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 09:15 AM
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originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: Grambler


So the CIA, who Donald Trump has derided as "Nazi's", conspired over a year to hack the DNC and conduct a massive online propaganda campaign, coordinating extensively with WikiLeaks? Who also leaked this CIA material exposing the supposed plot?...to help get Donald Trump elected?? The guy who repeated and viscously railed into them before and after being elected?


Explain that to me please...



First the entire wikileaks today shows that the CIA has no qualms at all about spying on Americans without their knowledge of it. It seems likely that the CIA could be surveilling all politicians. I wouldn't have took them aa year to hack the DNC. Your are conflating the fact that there was a years worth of documents released with the idea it would have taken a year to hack it.

You then assume that it was the CIA that intentionally leaked this to wikileaks. It could have been just one individual that leaked it and did so without the CIA approval. Remember, Assange claimed all along that they did not get their info from the Russians. This means that the CIA wouldn't have had to work with wikileaks, nor did they have to want to help Trump to win.

Or perhaps the CIA made it look like it was russia that hacked the DNC after they knew wikileaks had the documents from the DNC. In other words, someone from inside the DNC could have leaked the info to wikileaks, and in an effort to undermine the leaks, the CIA who disliked Trump decided to frame the Russians fro the leak.

I am not claiming I have proof that this is what happened, but it could be a possibility. Perhaps if the CIA and Obama administration didn't have a track record of spying on political opponents like James Rosen and lying about it they would have more credibility.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 09:15 AM
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originally posted by: SB1023
a reply to: Sillyolme

Trump is a puppet to do what? Nuke America?


Ask Bannon...Anyone looking into the new and shadowy "Strategic Initiatives Group" he has created inside the Whitehouse?




posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 09:17 AM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Gryphon66

Guess what???
Without a fisa warrant ANY data from an american citizen is off limits.
Also how does this square with what clapper offered on sunday? Was clapper not involved with this; because his statement on mtp indicates differently.


Not sure how many times you need it explained to you.

Flynn's communications were not picked up via a wire-tap on Flynn..

They were picked via a wire-tap on Kisylak..

And NSA/FBI's motivation for sharing with WH counsel was not prosecutorial, but rather to mitigate black-mail risks.

The President's Chief National Security Advisor had had meetings and conversations with Russia's Chief representative in the US and had assured him sanctions would be reversed once Trump took office...And then LIED about it...to the Press, to the Vice President..causing the Vice President to unwittingly lie to the public.

The Chief National Security advisor to the President was a severe blackmail risk and that had to be dealt with.



Can you post a link that says tghe wire tap was on Kislak and there wasn't one in Trump tower? Thanks.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 09:18 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

Considering Trump been blabbering about running for president since the 1980s, I wouldn't rule out the Trump tower was bugged with spy devices for decades.



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Gryphon66

Guess what???
Without a fisa warrant ANY data from an american citizen is off limits.
Also how does this square with what clapper offered on sunday? Was clapper not involved with this; because his statement on mtp indicates differently.


Not sure how many times you need it explained to you.

Flynn's communications were not picked up via a wire-tap on Flynn..

They were picked via a wire-tap on Kisylak..

And NSA/FBI's motivation for sharing with WH counsel was not prosecutorial, but rather to mitigate black-mail risks.

The President's Chief National Security Advisor had had meetings and conversations with Russia's Chief representative in the US and had assured him sanctions would be reversed once Trump took office...And then LIED about it...to the Press, to the Vice President..causing the Vice President to unwittingly lie to the public.

The Chief National Security advisor to the President was a severe blackmail risk and that had to be dealt with.


You understand Clapper DENIED this happened? You understand Clappers position in the chain of command?
The only way they would have known flynn lied to the vp was from the contents of the conversation with the foreign target. The contents of the conversation ARE PROTECTED to prevent what has happened here. Clapper has CLEARED THE ENTIRE TRUMP CAMPAIGN of any wrongdoing with respect to the russians.(that includes your bs "severe blackmail risk")
Or is Clapper lying too?



posted on Mar, 7 2017 @ 09:21 AM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Gryphon66

Guess what???
Without a fisa warrant ANY data from an american citizen is off limits.
Also how does this square with what clapper offered on sunday? Was clapper not involved with this; because his statement on mtp indicates differently.


Not sure how many times you need it explained to you.

Flynn's communications were not picked up via a wire-tap on Flynn..

They were picked via a wire-tap on Kisylak..

And NSA/FBI's motivation for sharing with WH counsel was not prosecutorial, but rather to mitigate black-mail risks.

The President's Chief National Security Advisor had had meetings and conversations with Russia's Chief representative in the US and had assured him sanctions would be reversed once Trump took office...And then LIED about it...to the Press, to the Vice President..causing the Vice President to unwittingly lie to the public.

The Chief National Security advisor to the President was a severe blackmail risk and that had to be dealt with.



The leaking of Flynn's conversation was illegal. That remains, and the leakers need to be prosecuted.



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