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Donald Trump has just directly accused Obama of wiretapping Trump residence.

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posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 10:30 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: neo96

that all needs to end


Why?

They can't use anything against Americans unless they have the appropriate warrants.


Tell that to Flynn.




posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 10:33 PM
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originally posted by: Berns4
a reply to: Xcathdra

The owner of alfa bank is Mikhail Fridman, a Jew like me. He is not part of the Russian government. A FISA on him or his bank is illegal no matter how you look at it.


Mikhail Fridman

Native name Михаи́л Мара́тович Фри́дман
Born 21 April 1964 (age 52)
Lviv, Ukraine, USSR
Residence London
Nationality Ukrainian-Russian-Israel[1]


He is a foreign national. If he is acting on behalf of the Russian government / intelligence service it falls under FISA. If he is using his bank in cooperation with a foreign government / intelligence agency it falls under FISA.

Businesses are not "people". They ARE however run by people. Because of that a business can be investigated under FISA / espionage laws if the business is being used in a manner thats incompatible with its established reason for existence.

Just as a credentialed diplomat can be booted from a country for engaging in activities inconsistent with their reported capacity.



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 10:33 PM
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originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: neo96

that all needs to end


Why?

They can't use anything against Americans unless they have the appropriate warrants.


Tell that to Flynn.


LOL ... first thing I've agreed with you on in months.

I should have said "they can't use anything LEGALLY against Americans unless..."



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 10:34 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

they just did on flynn
clapper said there was No evidence of any colusion between trumps campaign and the russians
flynns name and data SHOULD have been redacted
it was leaked which is a federal charge 5 yr 10k

this needs to end
unlimited surveillance violates the constitution



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 10:34 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Ironic... There are 193 member nations of the UN.



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 10:35 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

If. If. If. There was no evidence he did. And even if he donated to the Trump campaign, it was legal. Putting a FISA on an Israeli, you will be sorry.



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 10:35 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Gryphon66

they just did on flynn
clapper said there was No evidence of any colusion between trumps campaign and the russians
flynns name and data SHOULD have been redacted
it was leaked which is a federal charge 5 yr 10k

this needs to end
unlimited surveillance violates the constitution


Would the Vice President have been able to hear those recordings legally?



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 10:39 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Can the President order the FBI Director to conduct monitoring on individuals (foreign or domestic?)



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 10:39 PM
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originally posted by: Berns4
a reply to: Xcathdra

alfa bank is a private bank owned by a private citizen. It is not covered by FISA

The FISA was illegal no matter how you look at it.


So if they based surveillance on server in Trump Tower pinging or being pinged by Alfa Bank then why did server show up as,

"contact-client.com

Looks like something to do with hotel management or marketing

Cendyn/ONE | Data Intelligence™ for Hotels and Resorts

Hotel Digital Marketing & Advertising Strategy

Admin Name: Charles Deyo
Admin Organization:
Admin Street: 1515 N. Federal Hwy
Admin City: Boca Raton
Admin State/Province: Florida

Admin Email: emcmullin@cendyn.com

Tech Name: Charles Deyo
Tech Organization:
Tech Street: 1515 N. Federal Hwy
Tech City: Boca Raton
Tech State/Province: Florida"

ATS


If that's the server used to claim Russians interference then perjury seems to have occurred in attempting to get first two FISA warrants which were denied (both are two of only 11 FISA requests ever denied) and who knows yet what third warrant was based upon which was approved.

See nothing was ever proved on this server thing but some here use it as basis of their Trump hate gospel.

Looks like others used info illegally, some refer to bam bam as ringleader.

Illegally obtained info is poison fruit and cannot be used.



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 10:39 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Gryphon66



this needs to end
unlimited surveillance violates the constitution


I vote we get back to 'your freedoms end at the tip end of my nose'. That will also provide a way for laws that define the bad deeds by polluters as well as people who reach out to physically abuse another human so that they don't get away with it to cause Anarchy..



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 10:40 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

🎶 Gray skies are gonna clear up... put on a happy face...



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 10:42 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

the way i was instructed ONLY the foreign portion was reported
the us citizens rights were to be protected
so no unless the vp himself were doing the monitoring

leaking that data is a crime
there is a trail to the russian
all involved submitted to polygraphs
this isnt rocket science



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 10:42 PM
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dp
edit on 6/3/2017 by shooterbrody because: dp



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 10:42 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Of Course Obama Wiretapped Trump during the Election , He Never Wanted to Give Up the Power he Had in the White House , the Man is a Psyco.............




edit on 6-3-2017 by Zanti Misfit because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 10:43 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: AnkhMorpork

Maybe they should not have given him his twitter back..



That would be a good first step. I think we can all agree to that.

But it should really worry us that such steps would even need to be made in the first place.

We are being led by someone who we have to babysit. That's insane.


He did manage to alter the scope of the investigation to make it a two way street, and if it turns out there's nothing to the Russia allegations, then the actions are on the prior administration and MSM in an attempt to delegitimize his Presidency, while suggesting that he would not have won otherwise and would not have broken through her blue wall had it not been for the WikiLeaks.

Their narrative will soon fall when the investigation wraps up.

Then what are we looking at but an abuse of power with the collusion of the MSM?

Trump needs to replace Priebus I think, and quickly or if so, the sooner the better. It's within his power and ability to make that switch. A friend of Bannon's and the Congressional Reps would work. Trump needs people running the trains on time who totally totally gets and understands the agenda and the vision and mission.

Then it's on to all the departments and all the firing and replacing, as the train begins to pick up some intertia.

It's happening, whether CNN and the Celebrities like it or not, and it's not a bad thing, what Trump and Bannon are hoping to achieve, but because it also involves the disestablishment of the no longer relevant ruling "elite" class, they are willing to stop at nothing to try to stop the Trump administration from engaging it's mandate, given and supported by the American people in the election result itself, which was rather decisive.



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 10:44 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

I'm glad you think this is funny foxy.



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 10:44 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Xcathdra

Again, I can only say thank you.

So, given that there were wire taps involving the Russian Ambassador and say Michael Flynn, it would be much easier (less paperwork, legal hassles, etc.) to monitor the Ambassador's "phone" than Flynn's "phone" right?



My guess is correct.

Flynn was cleared of any wrongdoing by speaking to the Russians. The issue with his case was his contact was discovered through the surveillance of the Russian Ambassador. Because of that it is against the law to release any of Flynns information in connection the that monitoring.

The presumption i am going under based on my understanding is they (deep state whatever you want to call it) had no intentions of prosecuting Trump or anyone else linked to him. They wanted the info that they could illegally leak to undermine their positions.

The same law that supposedly prevents the release of identifiable info on US citizens also protects the very people who leaked the info by allowing them to refuse to release all the info in question.

It means they can selectively release information without any proper context and with no legal way to find out the info they sat on.

Hence the need for a congressional investigation / DOJ investigation.

Hence the reason their was really no need to get warrants to monitor Trump / Trump people. All they wanted was the info they could distort. If they came across something prosecutable then im sure they would have gone back and taken the legal routes in order to prosecute their political enemy. That would have also occurred before the election and since we saw the attempt with the "server" in trump tower and Clintons tweet about it on Oct 31st it tells me they found no russia trump connection so went with the plan to selectively release info if clinton lost to undermine Trumps administration.



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 10:45 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Gryphon66

the way i was instructed ONLY the foreign portion was reported
the us citizens rights were to be protected
so no unless the vp himself were doing the monitoring

leaking that data is a crime
there is a trail to the russian
all involved submitted to polygraphs
this isnt rocket science


Wow, I feel like your last paragraph was a clue in a video game ...

I think the Vice President with his classification could have had an agent bring him a recording and say "listen to what this Russian has to say" ... with no legal issue. I am not a specialist in this area though.



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 10:49 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

So ... I'm going to focus on this part of your comment ...



Hence the reason their was really no need to get warrants to monitor Trump / Trump people.


So, no need to get such a warrant unless you wanted to present that found evidence in court?

So, if there were wiretaps on Trump associates, as long as it wasn't used in court ... are we looking at basically "no victim, no crime"?



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 10:50 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

a recording of the russian only sure thats legal the russian is in the ic scope



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