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Donald Trump has just directly accused Obama of wiretapping Trump residence.

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posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 02:27 PM
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a reply to: queenofswords

That's because information has been manipulated in order to pursue the Trump Russia link and witch hunt.

Now the whole picture is taking form and the media and the spying agencies are looking worst than ever.




posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 02:28 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
How many people would accept this scenario?

During the later years of the Bush administration his DOJ wiretapped then Senator Obama, and his cabinet appointees.

They wouldn't.

But Obama defenders in this thread defend Obamas actions.

Because as the president of the US.

The buck stops at the oval.


No one here has "defended Obama's actions" because nothing has been proven that Obama did anything.

Why post such obvious lies?



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 02:28 PM
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DP
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posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 02:29 PM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

Cuz Trump's people have been trying to get the FBI to publicly say there is no evidence of Trump teams collusion with Russia..



Unsubstantiated accusations



An illegal and unethical act by the WH BTW...Interfering with an ongoing FBI investigation..
AND interestingly...a request that the FBI REFUSED...


Unsubstantiated accusations.

Comey has not spoken.

And James Clapper ODNI has already said they found nothing
on Trump/Russia. You know, the big boss?



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 02:29 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Indigo5

The President or his designee.. What part of that confuses you?


The part where you made up "President or his designee"..

Can you please bold exactly that in the law?

Specifically...A FISA Court Judge "Orders" a FISA Warrant...not the President.

And a President does not sign off on the application for a FISA warrant...he specifically designates people beside himself who make that decision...It's a left over separation from the Watergate scandal.




As for US citizens you failed to read the statute I provided...

A US citizen can be surveilled if they are part of the foreign surveillance target. Any information about the US citizen is restricted and cannot be disclosed. A law that was violated by the info released about Flynn and Sessions.



WOW...It took you 174 pages of the thread to realize a US Citizen can NOT BE A TARGET of a FISA Warrant...

As far as Flynn, Manafort, Stone, Kushner, Sessions, and possibly Trump being caught in a FISA warrant that was TARGETED at FORIEGN INTELLIGENCE officers...Cant wait to find out how that happened!



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 02:30 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

There is a difference between defending and denying... The latter of which has been constant.



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 02:32 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Gryphon66

There is a difference between defending and denying... The latter of which has been constant.


Do you have evidence that Obama tapped Trump?

You could have saved us 174 pages.



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 02:32 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

It's ALL been proven.

Trump haters just ignore the inconvenient truths that have been posted for over 170 some odd pages.

Like This golden nugget reposted for those that missed it.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 02:33 PM
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a reply to: queenofswords

Think your right on that, Dana Boente.

I read Obama blocked him in the final days, then Trump
reversed that.



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 02:33 PM
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originally posted by: burntheships

originally posted by: Indigo5

Cuz Trump's people have been trying to get the FBI to publicly say there is no evidence of Trump teams collusion with Russia..



Unsubstantiated accusations



You are a non-stop BS factory...Spicer confirmed they tried to get the FBI to make a public statement clearing Trump in the investigation.

White House Says Chief of Staff Not Wrong to Talk to FBI
www.nytimes.com...


The White House on Friday defended chief of staff Reince Priebus against accusations he breached a government firewall when he asked FBI Director James Comey to publicly dispute media reports that Trump campaign advisers had been frequently in touch with Russian intelligence agents.


The Dems are requesting a full accounting from the WH of how often so far they have tried to interfere with the investigation.
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posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 02:33 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Grambler

But they still have to find something.

Just getting a warrant doesn't do anything.

How can you damage your opponent without finding anything???


You tell me. What was the smoking gun with Trump?

Yet the media is on a 24/7 kick about Trump and the Russians, trying to destroy his credibility.

And lets not be naive, they can find something on anyone if they twist it enough.

Clearly the "if you got nothing to hide" defense is a horrible idea in this situation.



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 02:34 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Gryphon66

It's ALL been proven.

Trump haters just ignore the inconvenient truths that have been posted for over 170 some odd pages.

Like This golden nugget reposted for those that missed it.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


You're a liar Neo, pure and simple.



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 02:34 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

If you are not familiar with legal terms you have 2 choices -

Educate yourself....

or

Go to the link and look in the section named terms...

The President / designee has to sign off on a FISA warrant, as the law I cited states.

As for a US citizen and FISA warrant what part of foreign agent investigation crossing over into US citizen are you lost on? It goes tpo the whole cruxt of this mess. The first FISA request named Trump and was denied. The second omitted info and only targeted a server.

It is 174 pages in and you are still clueless as to what this is all about.



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 02:35 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Gryphon66

It's ALL been proven.

Trump haters just ignore the inconvenient truths that have been posted for over 170 some odd pages.

Like This golden nugget reposted for those that missed it.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


You're a liar Neo, pure and simple.


Actually he is not... If that is all you have why are you here?



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 02:36 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 02:36 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Indigo5

If you are not familiar with legal terms you have 2 choices -



Nope...You said "President or Designee"

You made it up...

Not in the law...

Cuz that is not how FISA works....Designee? Yes...President?...No



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 02:37 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Gryphon66

It's ALL been proven.

Trump haters just ignore the inconvenient truths that have been posted for over 170 some odd pages.

Like This golden nugget reposted for those that missed it.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


You're a liar Neo, pure and simple.


Actually he is not... If that is all you have why are you here?


Actually, he is, and you aren't far behind.

The proof he's citing is a BLOGGERS OPINION.

Will you go on record in saying that it has been proven that Obama tapped Trump's phone?

Just once, have the courage of your convictions, don't weasel, just say it.



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 02:37 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
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they claim that a lot and yet they still have no clue how to read a law let alone understand the terms used and how they apply.
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posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 02:37 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: mOjOm




But if there was a FISA warrant then Obama or his Admin still did nothing illegal.

Other than use the us ic against a political opponent during a potus campaign...............


Nope...at this point they're a suspected criminal and that's it, being a political figure simply does not matter.


Thats a terrible standard.

Again, the Fisa courts approve almost every warrant. So all that is needed is an accusation.

Mark my words, if political groups are allowed to use Fisa courts against there political opponents and it just considered going after a "suspected criminal" things will get out of hand quickly.

You will be screaming if Trump does this in 4 years to his opponents.

In fact, I heard Hillary and Obama and many on the DNC had connections to Russia, Hamas, the Muslim bortherhood, Bill Ayers, and other extreme groups. So perhaps Trumps should just taap the all now.

Is that the standard you want?


No no. What I want is of absolutely no consequence, to be perfectly honest. I was merely stating how it is viewed right now, without any prejudice about what I want.

If I got what I want, this issue would already be resolved and my Government would never under any circumstances be allowed ANY kind of wiretapping period. Wiretapping under the auspice of potentially being able to thwart crime, pales in comparison to the criminal activity that has for years, been a part of Washington culture and is LEGAL because of loopholes and craftily written law. (as we law ourselves to death)

Housing bubbles burts; Commodities market bubbles burst; and Empires burst,,,,

much like the Romans, ours will too eventually.



posted on Mar, 6 2017 @ 02:37 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Gryphon66

It's ALL been proven.

Trump haters just ignore the inconvenient truths that have been posted for over 170 some odd pages.

Like This golden nugget reposted for those that missed it.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


You're a liar Neo, pure and simple.


The reporter in the link did claim the wire taps and now is taking a different view. Where's the lie, other than from the reporter?




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