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Donald Trump has just directly accused Obama of wiretapping Trump residence.

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posted on Mar, 5 2017 @ 05:15 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

We have a problem here.

We have on record them saying this never happened, no warrants issues.

Yet we have BBC and NYT and others reporting it DID happen and their sources verified it.

So either it did, and they are caught lying .. or there were no warrants and the MSM was pushing the liberal agenda, lying to hurt Trump.

There is no outcome that is good for Democrats, it's only how bad.




posted on Mar, 5 2017 @ 05:16 PM
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Hey, is it okay if we start referring to the Trump sycophancy as MAGATTs?

(and before you get mad ... it stands for Make America Great Again Through Trump)



posted on Mar, 5 2017 @ 05:16 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: SBMcG

Well it seems that Comey comments can not be confirmed by the news medias.

Also that Comey will be under the scrutiny because he if is true Trump was wiretapped he knew about it.

And probably was behind the wiretapping too.



So he's Schoedinger's Comey then, until you know something?

He may be loyal and he may not be?

If Jim Comey has a weakness, it's that he loves the law TOO MUCH.

I wonder, those of you who are on clear record here that Barack Obama wiretapped Donald Trump today ... what will do you when that's proven to be the nonsense that so many have told you it is?

I wonder if any of you will have the dignity to admit your mistake? Or just pretend it didn't happen.

We'll see.


There was a FISA warrant issued that approved of the wiretapping. I don't know what you mean by "admit [my] mistake" when that's already a fact in evidence. That FISA request didn't come from the Bush Administration -- it came from Obama's own DOJ.

Again, not sure why the disconnect with that on your part.
edit on 5-3-2017 by SBMcG because: Bill Clinton's wife is involved Pizzagate. Ask Carlos Wiener.



posted on Mar, 5 2017 @ 05:16 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

The real question is if they found no wrongdoing, why are you asking a question?



posted on Mar, 5 2017 @ 05:17 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66



They are claiming there was no wiretap or FISA warrant.


Barack Obama's former director of national intelligence was crystal clear that the FBI had never been given a secret court order to carry out electronic surveillance at Trump Tower in New York.

"Absolutely I can deny it,” James Clapper said with a steady gaze, adding for good measure: "Something like this? Absolutely I would know."


Yet it was all over the news 2 months ago by every outlet saying it was verified there was on.


The Guardian has reported that the FBI applied for a Foreign Intelligence Service Act (FISA) warrant last summer to monitor members of the Trump campaign, but was denied in its initial attempt. Last November, former British MP and openly anti-Trump journalist Louise Mensch reported that the FBI had succeeded in its second request for a FISA warrant, which was later confirmed by the BBC.
fortune.com...


But The Times knew several critical facts: the F.B.I. had a sophisticated investigation underway on Trump’s organization, possibly including FISA warrants. (Some news outlets now report that the F.B.I. did indeed have such warrants, an indication of probable cause.)

www.nytimes.com...

I want to make sure I understand ... this never happened right?


The roots of the FISA warrant were themselves odd. According to both Mensch and the BBC, they centered on a server in Trump Tower

fortune.com...



posted on Mar, 5 2017 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

1. BBC and NYT are not "the Democrats."

2. About the only guy left in government that I trust is Jim Comey. Don't like him much, but I trust him. It seems he's said Trump wasn't tapped. I'll believe that until something else is proven.



posted on Mar, 5 2017 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

What did they hack? Because we have two different hacks. Guccifer (dec 2015) has known russian liks. and the podesta emails, which wikileaks claims came from democrats.



posted on Mar, 5 2017 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Or The Apprentice.



posted on Mar, 5 2017 @ 05:20 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

So ... possible targets of whatever did happen it seems would be

Trump
Member of the Trump Campaign
Member of the Trump Business/Professional Staff

Now, let's think for a minute. Clapper said that Trump wasn't targeted and also that the Campaign wasn't targetted.

What does that leave? (Assuming he has knowledge and is telling the truth.)



posted on Mar, 5 2017 @ 05:21 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen




He will probably fool everybody again and talk about the ObamaCare repeal & replace plan
that would get the MSM fuming .boiling ,and frothing at the mouth ....Greatest thread in forever



posted on Mar, 5 2017 @ 05:21 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

As long as we can call anti-trumpers TTWAT's (trying to weaken american triumph)



posted on Mar, 5 2017 @ 05:21 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Can you show me Comey actually saying that?

And who do you think was the source for the NYT? Who said it was CONFIRMED.



posted on Mar, 5 2017 @ 05:22 PM
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posted on Mar, 5 2017 @ 05:22 PM
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And one for others to use in the great meme war.



posted on Mar, 5 2017 @ 05:22 PM
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a reply to: SBMcG

The whole "Comey" thing is complicated.

The possibilities have 2 faces.

Lots of people pissed off about not recommending indictment.

BUT.

If he had, the entire conversation would have stopped, and the Justice Dept would have stalled everything else.

The fact he called the famous press conference quickly tells us he had resistance on the inside.

So he announces everything and comes clean with facts.

The public hears it all, and Comey continues with testimonies to Congress.

Hillary people go crazy.

Then he writes a letter to Congress that the Hillary investigation is re-opening because of the Wiener Laptop.

But Comey didn't leak the letter to Congress. People on the Congressional Committee did.

All the "Hillary was cleared" talk had zero effect.

Perfect set-up for a Trump up-set.




posted on Mar, 5 2017 @ 05:22 PM
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a reply to: SBMcG




I still don’t know whether Comey is friend or foe, but I know he’s been drawn into the light.



Same here.

I'm watching and listening, however. I have some thoughts regarding Comey I may share when the time is right, but right now, the lines are blurred with him.



posted on Mar, 5 2017 @ 05:23 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: burntheships

He said both those things.


So then...now you know there is no proof of Trump/Russia,
It is a fabricated narrative.

You could also conclude he did not order the wiretap.

I conclude this ties back to the DOJ, Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton,
and then loosely from there.

The reasoning is The FBI reported it looked into the pinging of a
computer that was located in Trump Tower, and after carefully
examining it found there was nothing to it.

This is a hook and sink for the Dems, once again.
And throwing the media in there because dozens
of MSM sites reported on the FISA warrant.

So either they are lying now, or they were lying then.



posted on Mar, 5 2017 @ 05:23 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

No, he said Trump Tower was never targeted. So he lied, or we had Democrats and the MSN colluding to make Trump look bad with lies.



posted on Mar, 5 2017 @ 05:24 PM
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originally posted by: mikegrouchy










LMMFLWAO!

Truly hilarious...

AND, I'll never forget "meerkat" has a K in it again.

Well done!



posted on Mar, 5 2017 @ 05:24 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: DJW001

The real question is if they found no wrongdoing, why are you asking a question?


It is not yet clear they found no wrongdoing. There also seems to be a great deal of intentional confusion being generated by the Trump propaganda machine. Phrases like "electronic surveillance" can include wiretapping and microphones, but that is not quite the same as monitoring computers, is it?




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