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originally posted by: Tempter
Whoah, the British Intelligence forces were a part of this? Where is some documentation on what the guy in the 1st video is claiming?
originally posted by: Stormdancer777
Believes Trump is getting this directly from James Comey Listen at 23:10
originally posted by: Grambler
Thats not to say Clapper isn't telling the truth this time, he may be. Thats why I would like to see more facts.
originally posted by: Sillyolme
If the tweets are true trump just admitted that the justice dept is suspicious of his behavior .
Judges don't issue warrants on a whim.
It's a little thing called
But the FISC has declined just 11 of the more than 33,900 surveillance requests made by the government in 33 years, the Wall Street Journal reported Sunday. That's a rate of .03 percent, which raises questions about just how much judicial oversight is actually being provided.
“One of the focus points of the House Intelligence Committee's investigation is the U.S. government's response to actions taken by Russian intelligence agents during the presidential campaign,” Nunes said in a statement.
“As such, the Committee will make inquiries into whether the government was conducting surveillance activities on any political party’s campaign officials or surrogates, and we will continue to investigate this issue if the evidence warrants it.”
originally posted by: SBMcG
originally posted by: alphabetaone
a reply to: SBMcG
LMAO....I'm sure if I cared how seriously other people took me, the last place I would find refuge to assure that would be on ATS.
Hey -- you went there first. I'm not going to simply "take" the impugning of my intelligence by someone who was proven completely wrong.
White House aides have internally circulated an article on Breitbart titled: “Mark Levin to Congress: Investigate Obama’s ‘Silent Coup’ vs. Trump.” Breitbart is a right-leaning news organization that is a rather unreliable source of information. Often the material that is published is derivative and twisted in misleading ways.
However, a White House spokesman told The Fact Checker that the White House instead is relying on reports “from BBC, Heat St., New York Times, Fox News, among others.” He provided a list of five articles.
We are going to start with the Breitbart article, which lists two key data points that appear to relate to the president’s claim:
June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.
October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.
But these data points are not based on reporting by Breitbart. Instead Breitbart link to a report which appeared in Heat Street, another right-leaning news organization: “EXCLUSIVE: FBI ‘Granted FISA Warrant’ Covering Trump Camp’s Ties To Russia.” It was written by Louise Mensch, a former Tory member of the British Parliament and an independent journalist. This is one of the news reports identified by the White House, and it’s the most important one.
This article claimed: “Two separate sources with links to the counter-intelligence community have confirmed to Heat Street that the FBI sought, and was granted, a FISA court warrant in October, giving counter-intelligence permission to examine the activities of ‘U.S. persons’ in Donald Trump’s campaign with ties to Russia.”
Mensch claimed that the warrant was related to an FBI investigation of possible secret channel of email communication from the Trump Organization to a Russian bank—an investigation that, as far as anyone knows, went nowhere.
“The FISA warrant was granted in connection with the investigation of suspected activity between the server [in Trump Tower] and two banks, SVB Bank and Alfa Bank. However, it is thought in the intelligence community that the warrant covers any ‘US person’ connected to this investigation, and thus covers Donald Trump and at least three further men who have either formed part of his campaign or acted as his media surrogates,” Mensch wrote.
The Washington Post for months has sought to confirm this report of a FISA warrant related to the Trump campaign but has been unable to do so. Presumably other U.S. news organizations have tried to do so as well. So one has to take this claim with a huge dose of skepticism. Indeed, the New York Times reported before the election that the FBI “ultimately concluded that there could be an innocuous explanation, like a marketing email or spam, for the computer contacts” with the Russian banks.
Interestingly, as far as we can tell, only two other reports have touched on this FISA claim, and they also have British connections. One is a report in the BBC from January, which the White House also cited as a source. The BBC reported:
Lawyers from the National Security Division in the Department of Justice then drew up an application. They took it to the secret US court that deals with intelligence, the FISA court, named after the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. They wanted permission to intercept the electronic records from two Russian banks.
Their first application, in June, was rejected outright by the judge. They returned with a more narrowly drawn order in July and were rejected again. Finally, before a new judge, the order was granted, on 15 October, three weeks before election day.
Neither Mr Trump nor his associates are named in the FISA order, which would only cover foreign citizens or foreign entities – in this case the Russian banks. But ultimately, the investigation is looking for transfers of money from Russia to the United States, each one, if proved, a felony offense.
Finally, there was a report in The Guardian, which reported on the supposed June FISA request, but could not confirm the October one. (The White House did not cite the Guardian.)
The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (FISA) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The FISAc ourt turned down the application asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus. According to one report, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October, but that has not been confirmed, and it is not clear whether any warrant led to a full investigation.
The White House provided three other sources. Two, a National Review article and a Fox News interview, are simply derivative of the Heat Street article, with no independent confirmation. The third is a New York Times report that intelligence agencies “are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions” as part of a probe of possible links between Russian officials and Trump campaign aides. (We recall the president has previously deemed Times reporting on this matter as “fake news.”)
Only two articles, both with British roots, have reported that a FISA court order was granted in October to examine possible activity between two Russian banks and a computer server in the Trump Tower. This claim has not been confirmed by an U.S. news organizations. Moreover, neither article says President Obama requested the order or that it resulted in the tapping of Trump’s phone lines.
Moreover, the articles do not support the White House’s claim that these were “potentially politically motivated investigations” led by President Obama. The articles all suggest the FISA requests — if they happened — were done by the intelligence agencies & FBI.
originally posted by: Berns23
a reply to: Xcathdra
Aren't the 3 judges Bill Clinton appointees? Could it be favoritism? Gee. The guy's wife was running against the man to be investigated. No abuse of office? I doubt it.
Current Membership - Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court
Judge Judicial District /Circuit Date Designated Term expires
Rosemary M. Collyer (Presiding) District of Columbia / D.C. May 19, 2009 March 7, 2020
James E. Boasberg District of Columbia / D.C. May 19, 2014 March 18, 2021
Rudolph Contreras District of Columbia / D.C. May 19, 2016 May 18, 2023
Anne C. Conway Middle District of Florida / 11th May 19, 2016 May 18, 2023
Raymond J. Dearie Eastern District of New York / 2nd July 2, 2012 July 1, 2019
Claire V. Eagan Northern District of Oklahoma / 10th February 13, 2013 May 18, 2019
Martin L.C. Feldman Eastern District of Louisiana / 5th May 19, 2010 May 18, 2017
James P. Jones Western District of Virginia /4th May 19, 2015 May 18, 2022
Michael W. Mosman District of Oregon / 9th May 04, 2013 May 03, 2020
Thomas B. Russell Western District of Kentucky / 6th May 19, 2015 May 18, 2022
F. Dennis Saylor IV District of Massachusetts / 1st May 19, 2011 May 18, 2018
The BBC says the investigation was prompted by a tip from a Baltic country abut possible criminal activity:
Last April, the CIA director was shown intelligence that worried him. It was – allegedly – a tape recording of a conversation about money from the Kremlin going into the US presidential campaign.
It was passed to the US by an intelligence agency of one of the Baltic States. The CIA cannot act domestically against American citizens so a joint counter-intelligence task force was created.
While the Trump White House cited five news reports to justify its request for a congressional investigation, only two actually are relevant.
It’s certainly ironic that the Trump White House — which has heavily criticized articles relying on anonymous sources — now relies on articles based on anonymous sources that cites information that has not been confirmed by any U.S. news organization. It would be amusing if it were not so sad.
Even if these reports are accepted as accurate, neither back up Trump’s claims that Obama ordered the tapping of his phone calls. Moreover, they also do not back up the administration’s revised claim of politically motivated investigations.
This means the fact they rejected the initial requests by the Obama admin in June is nearly unprecedented and speaks volumes to the fact as how much the admin was reaching. So if only .03 percent of warrants are denied, it does appear they offer warrants on a whim.