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Dems decry Russia while ignoring globalists and foreign debt

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posted on Mar, 3 2017 @ 04:24 AM
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I do not understand why the democrats are so up in arms about efforts to have better relations with Russia, when they are absolutely SILENT on the influence of globalists on their candidate in the election and the fact that they are just fine with us continuing to be a debtor nation to COMMUNIST CHINA. If there was any influence of a foreign power I would be worried about, it would be that one. We have seen for the past thirty years, a party that used to claim it was the champion of the working class, turn into a kind of hand puppet of the globalization movement. Hillary Clinton made it clear that she was in favor of open borders and outsourcing. The democrats want to flood our country with refugees with no impedance to accelerating it, when we already have millions of people out of work and good jobs continue to evaporate, many being sent to China, many homeless, our students saddled with debt and having to compete with H1B1 workers. Where is the public outrage over this capitulation? If then Senator Sessions was talking to the Russians last year, I for one am GLAD that he was. We came close to going to war with them and Clintons open hostility towards Putin and her belligerence could have brought it to fruition. In short, when I look at democrats criticizing Trump for unsubstantiated collusion with the Russians I am disgusted. The democrats, and yes, some republicans,have done NOTHING but sell us out behind closed doors to the highest bidder for 30 years, starting with Bill Clinton pushing NAFTA, and recently Obama and Clinton supporting the TPP. They care NOTHING about this country or its people, only POWER and position. Please wake up to this, we are being played. If Trump represents nothing else, its the idea of the will of the PEOPLE being obeyed, instead of the selfish ambitions of a bunch of elitists. Its not the man, its the IDEA. And its an idea that obviously scares them to the degree that they are willing to tear the fabric of this country apart to try to stop it.
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posted on Mar, 3 2017 @ 04:40 AM
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a reply to: openminded2011

I can only guess that part of their hysteria is the fear that stuff like the two brothers doing sensitive IT work without a clearance is but the tip of a huge inept illegal enterprise carried out over these last 8 years if not even before.



posted on Mar, 3 2017 @ 04:52 AM
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a reply to: openminded2011

Because even if we lived in a true one world government situation there would still have to be an enemy.

Something to get the masses choked up on their own venom enough that people forget their own quality of life is deteriorating.

Hate fuels globalism.



posted on Mar, 3 2017 @ 04:53 AM
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a reply to: openminded2011

I think you have a skewed impression of what Democrats believe, and I think it probably stems from a failure to separate what a voter believes, from what the politicians who happen to have a D next to their name on the television news believe.

Occupy Wall Street, and the Occupy movements more generally were not globalist in the least. In fact, many of the companies they directly inconvenienced by their actions, were EXACTLY the sort of globalist agenda supporting companies, which cause the sorts of issues you are upset about. Oddly enough though, most of the people at those protests, were not Republicans. Most of those protestors and demonstrators, were Democrat voters, if at all. So there is clearly a disconnect between the street level thinking of Democrats, which generally boils down to "No one should have more power than the people do" and is a pretty legitimate position if you ask me.



posted on Mar, 3 2017 @ 05:08 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

The problem is that OWS was focused on private companies and not the politicians that sold out their constituents to line their own pockets.



 the street level thinking of Democrats, which generally boils down to "No one should have more power than the people do" 


Except for government! We need more government to keep these bad corporations in check!



posted on Mar, 3 2017 @ 05:46 AM
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a reply to: rockintitz

Well, the Democratic thinking holds that as long as the government is made up of the people, as opposed to disconnected, soft handed, workshy, paper shuffling cretins, who would be unable to make any money at all without exploiting workers and destroying local economies, the government will literally be the people, the people will literally be the government.

I am not saying that this model has been followed at the party level, because it has not. The fact that Hillary, who has done things with which even most Democrat voters disagree entirely, was able to secure candidacy, proves that. But you have to accept that the street level thinking of Democrats is not illegitimate, just because it comes with the Democrat label. It is simply a function of the way politics works at the administrative level, that it corrupts, that money is allowed to creep into the situation at all, that horse trading and compromise are allegedly necessary (they are not), which poisons the broth for Democrats, prevents their votes from getting them what they want from their government.
edit on 3-3-2017 by TrueBrit because: grammatical error corrected.



posted on Mar, 3 2017 @ 06:41 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

I am not talking about the idea of democracy or street level democrats for that matter, I am talking about what the democratic party has become, which is a bunch of corporate mercenaries, whose concern is holding on to power and not the people. This also describes most of the republicans as well, that's not lost on me. But the democratic party was supposed to be the party of the people and the working class, and its devolved into some kind of globalist/wall street lobbyist front group, that uses racial and gender divisiveness to divide the people. In my opinion the only way to save it is to abandon the current party and rebuild it with a grass roots coalition of working people and activists who actually care about the average person.



posted on Mar, 3 2017 @ 06:50 AM
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a reply to: openminded2011

Here is where trump and the philosophy falls flat on its face.

Economics has relied on the cpi to control wages vs cost since Richard Nixon.

China and the illegal immigrants are a huge part of controlling prices for consumers.

Let me explain what would happen if this problem wasn't solved slowly over decades.

We increase tariifs particularly on China and it does the exact opposite of protect the American worker. It lowers his ability to buy anything. A $17 dollar and hour wage cannot afford to buy all made in America products. Let's say a us made auto. Do have any idea how many supply lines come from China and then ate assembled in the us? Then we have the issue of China fighting back saying fine we also will export tax machinery for building the cars on top of the supply line import tariff by the us. Obviously they aren't going to just lie down. They have a global market now and could afford to squeeze us a little.

Now the illegals. Illegals for better or worse in a great majority have come to work. They have kept housing labor coat low. I was trained by a man who made $16 and hour in 1976. That is about what a journey man caparpenter still makes today if he doesn't specialize in finish work or millwork or is a sub contractor.

The cpi has helped keep the wage low but so have illegals in that trade. That transfers directly to home cost.

Produce...food. picked by illegals. Again keeping costs down.

If you try and fix issues like this quickly like with tariffs and mass deportations you have a massive problem. Now a $17 dollar an hour factory workers needs $27 to buy the same things he had before the changes. Then the cycle keeps going. The cost of the product they are making goes up and on and on.

These are very long term fixes that should be done by Congress over decades. That is how long they took to get as bad as they are and weave themselves into the American fabric.

You shouldn't be blaming China. It was Nixon and politicians that allowed it happen. With illegals same deal. It was politicians and law enforcement. Not the people building cheap gated communities.

The first 500k illegals that came to work, you would think they would have created a work visa program. But they obviously had this as a strategy. The scale of the situation is beyond rediculous. Illegals for instance pay $11.2 billion in property taxes per year. That is a rediculous amount of homeowners here illegally.



posted on Mar, 3 2017 @ 06:53 AM
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a reply to: openminded2011

You are talking about the party.

You are, therefore, talking about the least important part of the Democrat process. Furthermore, the Democrat Party is not alone in being a tool of division. The Republican Party, as proven by the last campaign, is well capable of using divisive rhetoric to marginalise, oppress, and vilify, which draws support from lowest common denominator elements by default. Riding the wave of hate and all that.

Its not on when anyone does it.



posted on Mar, 3 2017 @ 07:01 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

Why do people keep saying street level Democrat? Just be honest and say Democrat leaders aren't on the same page as their voters
they're not 1 in the same the progressive agenda was usurped by people who lie to you and don't have your best in mind, What we have now is the far left which would put your so called street level Democrats closers to the middle

If these narcissistic authoritarians did not exploit these archetypes, which are deep inside us all and rooted deep in all of us either conservative or progressive, then it could never attract so many people,
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posted on Mar, 3 2017 @ 07:03 AM
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a reply to: omniEther

Democrats have learned to exploit compassion, republicans responsibility.

Neither do what they say. Now that pubs have let in the far right we should see them get as nutty as the far left left has made democrats.



posted on Mar, 3 2017 @ 07:17 AM
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a reply to: luthier

Frightening when you have two sides thinking their right and the other side is wrong when in facts both candidates got around less than 130million votes

Throw both sides a bone and knock off 5 million due to illegal aliens and Russia

You still have over half the population that didn't vote for either yet for some reason both sides think their Right?

You have regular people who want to be left alone, then there's two groups of deplorables



posted on Mar, 3 2017 @ 07:18 AM
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a reply to: omniEther

On the topic of Democrat leaders being on a different page than the electorate, it depends which leaders you are talking about. Nothing is black and white here. Some people appear to have the right idea, but the Party at large hate them, because they make it hard to do dodgy deals out the back, to trade people down the river without being chastised for it. For example, although Mr Bernie Sanders may be better described as a socialist rather than as a Democrat (in fact there is no doubt) he is actually a better representative on policy, than Hillary, of what the Democrats in the street want. No matter whether he is an independent normally speaking and ran on a Democrat ticket, the point is that he had his finger on the pulse, she did not. Because he wanted to actually do the deed, and fix things that were broken, he got boned by the party political, against the wishes of a very motivated Democrat voter base.

On the subject of the far left...
Nooo...

That simply is not the case. The problem with the Democrat Party, is that they are not as determined to left shift as the majority of their constituents, and in fact, are less sure of what the left is supposed to represent. For example, Hillary was a bloodthirsty cow when it comes to matters of war. No lefty would support that worth a god damn. War is not something to enjoy, it is something to tolerate the necessity of, only in EXTREME and immediately dangerous circumstances for the territory one is in charge of.

Furthermore, with regard to narcissistic authoritarians, no one who voted Trump can use such a phrase without being aware that they have voted in the MOST narcissistic authoritarian that has sat in the White House for some time. Pot, meet kettle, you guys appear to have something in common.

Realistically speaking, if Democrats (the people, rather than the party) were given the opportunity, all matters would be put to the people to decide, because real Democrat thinking holds that the more people get to express their opinion and influence the outcome of a vote, the better represented the people will be, and that is absolutely true. Having professional politicians being the only people allowed to make choices on behalf of whole nations, has always been a bloody stupid idea, but for a great many years, its been the only option. This however, is an age of communication, an age in which a persons will can be known thousands of miles away from where they are, in a matter of seconds. There is no longer a need to have representatives in government, because the technology exists to make the will of the people known in all things, at all times, without buffer, filter or the ability of financial interests to poison the pot.

Its something to think about for the future I believe. The time is coming when politicians will be largely ceremonial, have no power but to enact the will of the people in given matters, that will being made known by way of constant voting, either nightly or weekly perhaps, by ALL the people. That would be a great thing to see.



posted on Mar, 3 2017 @ 08:17 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

All I've seen lately from street level democrat protests is violence, inability to think critically, and brainless zombie-like chants.

My conclusion is that the average democrat does not have the capability to rationalize, and instead just parrots what they hear on TV.

This is not hard to see. This is the perception the left is giving off to regular, middle of the road people. They're kicking and screaming at everyone that doesn't agree with them and alienating everyone else watching from the fence.

While proposing absolutely no solutions to fix anything.



posted on Mar, 3 2017 @ 08:29 AM
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a reply to: omniEther

I feel exactly that way.

Most people just want a reasonable solution.

Take immigration what is the morality around deporting people who have been producing cheap goods for consumers for years. Nobody complains their 3500 sqft house was only 250k.

The same people screaming for them to go will be throwing riots when they can't afford anything.


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posted on Mar, 3 2017 @ 08:31 AM
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a reply to: rockintitz

That is like saying all I have seen from republicans is dumping over Jewish grave sights and hanging nooses on trees for black history month.

Those people on either side are not even close to the base voters. That is fake news media presenting a theme so you believe only two radical ideologies exist and you have to pick one
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posted on Mar, 3 2017 @ 08:40 AM
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Well now, thats a whole other nest of vipers.

You see, it is incredibly uncommon for a protest to go ahead without being infiltrated by paid agitators, not people paid to represent the demonstrators and their views, but agent provocateurs, whose job is to perform illegal actions, so that police can consider the entire crowd a threat, and get away with attempting to shut down a protest entirely, at which point, understandably, it becomes a riot, as people who have done nothing wrong at all, are caught up in violence caused by paid agents of the opposition.

It is also incredibly uncommon for a protest group to exist, without being penetrated by undercover police agents, and sometimes they also are there to derail protests. This infiltration tactic is proven to be used and proven to work as well. It is not as if the effects stop at getting protests shut down either. The actions of these agitators and paid agents, whether they be opposition based, or whether they be police agents, also cause the protestors standpoint to appear weak, because look, they are violent and express themselves with rage rather than reason. Of course, its not true, its not accurate, but because these tactics work so well, and because people like simple narratives they can follow without thinking, that is all anyone sees when they see these protests.

So to assume without evidence of extreme specificity, that violence at these protests is naturally occurring as a result of the attitude of the majority of protestors, is simply not sensible. It is predictable, it is common, but not sensible.

And as it happens, the people who did have sensible answers to the questions of how to fix the broken systems in the US, were hounded as being socialists, when all they were after was a banking industry which is accountable for its idiocy, a government accountable for the damage it does to communities it is supposed to serve, and is prepared to do whatever is necessary to protect those communities from the issues which plague it, at any cost, EXCEPT the important costs, those being honour, dignity, or liberty. Because people have the wrong idea about socialism, about left wing thought more generally, it was not hard for the only voice who had any ideas worth a damn of how to fix things fairly, to be swept under the rug by, again, people who have failed to understand the electorate!



posted on Mar, 3 2017 @ 09:35 AM
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There is another side of the coin.

Lets suppose we wait decades to solve the problem.

Automation is accelerating. A lot of jobs like agricultural ones will be automated within a decade. The need for a labor force of pickers will be gone soon. We are going to lose 54 percent of low skill jobs in the next 20 years In addition, manufacturing jobs will also continue to shrink. So you will have a population of immigrants competing with Americans for the jobs that are left. I am sorry, but I want those jobs to go to Americans. The cost of social services saved by deporting them could be used to help create educational grants to re train people who will need to learn new skills in the next few decades. We also need to increase our pool of engineers and scientists. Yes, illegals pay property taxes, but they send the lions share of what they make back to their home countries a lot of the time instead of spending that money here, There si a definite cost to keeping them here, If they are uninsured and most of them are, they rely on state services which are paid by you and me. Again, I would rather that money went to Americans. Not to mention the average educational level of an illegal immigrant is about the 10th grade, which translates to lower wages, which translates to more public assistance, which again, is paid by you and me. So in short we either pay higher costs for goods or we pay higher taxes for illegals.




I have nothing against China or the Chinese people. We were sold out by Wall street, not the Chinese. But we cannot keep selling our debt to them.



posted on Mar, 3 2017 @ 10:09 AM
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a reply to: openminded2011

Great OP!

You have pretty much summed up my observations of the Dems agenda. They seem for the most part to be mostly anti-American. I dont understand it either. Why do they want to sell the US out?



posted on Mar, 3 2017 @ 10:20 AM
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a reply to: openminded2011

Dems have aligned themselves with the Corporate Globalists, the Global Shariah Caliphate, and the International Socialists aka Communists. They all have something in common. They want to dominate the world. Why not work together to achieve their end goal.



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