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A Study In Welfare,Liberal Ideology, Racism & Diversity

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posted on Mar, 1 2017 @ 10:53 AM
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I've decided to throw caution to the wind, and discuss the sensitive topics as per the title, in the hope that intelligent discourse can be forthcoming. I've listed all my sources at the bottom of this post (sorry its a long one...this topic can't be covered in a paragraph) I'll try and make it as interesting as possible as I'm aware of the short attention span of some
I have researched the various aspects of this topic over the last 8months or so studied many MANY reports and whilst many intelligent knowledgeable people have now (for the most part) agreed on why the situation we are now experiencing in so many countries exists, I have yet to find anyone that can agree on a solution or indeed have a solution. Oh and I'm not playing the "I'm more liberal than thou" game that seems so prevalent on posts like this


For many years now, we have all heard the phrase "Diversity is our Strength", it has been shoved at us repeatedly by a myriad of politicians and others and yet not one has explained how this diversity could possibly be called "our strength" nor have they revealed why this statement has been pushed so hard in the 20th & 21st Centuries. In point of fact, the last 20yrs or so has shown that diversity in fact is our weakness and actually destroys social cohesion. There is nothing that supports diversity, unless you count the endless repetition of the word and unsupported assertions by societies liberals.

One of the reasons for the failure of multiculturalism and "diversity" is the eagerness to appear tolerant and liberal minded, allowing huge immigration whilst not tackling integration. The reluctance to accept that some cultures cannot co-exist side by side with others is evidence of a people in denial, scared of being labelled racist intolerant xenophobic, but the current "open door" policy with regards to migrants/refugees is now the cause of mistrust amongst the indigenous populations of those countries, with many feeling that they have to adapt their culture to that of the migrants. This can be clearly seen in places like Germany & Sweden, where the countries population are being asked to change their lifestyle so as not to cause offence. The naivete of some of these countries is worrying and for me, sad. Their intentions may be good, but the world is filled with good intentions,but little common sense.

This naivete and willingness to give up nationality can be clearly illustrated in this happy song from a Swedish childrens' tv programme (please ignore the title its the content I refer to)


The lyrics declaring how "my country is yours" are probably truer now but in a way the Swedes did not expect. Their liberal utopian dream is not becoming reality and the reality they and other countries are facing is a problem because their ideology did not allow for failure. They thought that by giving and giving it would all be sunshine and unicorns but as we know there are givers and takers and if you create a society that gives preferential or special treatment to a group, once that group is given equality, it is seen as a step back and equality is then seen as inequality.

It should be remembered that multiculturalism is a theory,a social experiment set in motion around 40yrs ago by liberals attempting to fix something that wasn't broken. Multiculturalism has failed due to countries permitting and indeed encouraging, migrants & refugees not to integrate but to keep their culture intact and to co-exist alongside other cultures which inevitably results in clashes of belief and ideologies, with the exception of France who has a policy of total assimilation as opposed to just integration.

Another reason for the failure of diversity and multiculturalism is due to the way people relate to others and create relationships. Humans will naturally find it easier to have a relationship with those that are closest to themselves in beliefs, ideologies and even looks. Those that are furthest removed from the host countries beliefs etc are viewed with suspicion. Integration however, cures only part of the problem and in fact creates another, the lack of social cohesion or the way people interact with each other. You can have neighbourhoods that are intergrated but they will almost always lack social cohesion. Psychologist Zachary Neal created millions of computer simulations with fictional neighbourhoods which all showed the same thing, that the more integrated a neighbourhood was the less cohesive it was and policies cannot change this fundamental human trait.

Harvard Political Scientist & Liberal Robert Puttnam conducted a study to attempt to prove diversity and multiculturalism works but was surprised by the results to the extent that he delayed publishing his findings whilst he continued with further testing. What he found was the the more diverse an area the less people did volunteer work, the less they gave to charity, they less the contributed to the community, fewer people voted and more importantly the more diverse an area the larger the distrust of their neighbours. Why is this? Because when a group or community don't accept the host countries' core values such as the UK where there are Pakistani Ghettos where the people inside those "ghettos" identify as Pakistani NOT English, where the community does not associate their identity as that of the host nation where they specifically set themselves apart from the host country, it breeds suspicion and mistrust and fosters the idea that "they're not one of us". It has little to do with skin colour and far more to do with differences.

We are told that unemployment and poverty create these ghettos and that the people need more help. The liberal stance is to throw more welfare benefits at these "communities" more education, more of everything. What the liberal handwringer fails to acknowledge is that they themselves are creating the very situation they are allegedly trying to prevent. Throwing welfare cheque after welfare cheque at a group creates dependency, self indulgence, lack of responsibility, disregard of consequences, a sense of entitlement and of course victimhood, thus alienating them further from the mainstream native population of producers. The quote "give a man a fish you'll feed him for a day, show a man how to fish you'll feed him for life" has now become in some circles "Give a man a fish he'll ask for fries and a coke". There are doers and there are takers and the more you take from those that produce and give to those that do nothing, the more mistrust and anger will occur in the doer population. This is misinterpreted to mean racism, when in fact its a situation created by those left over advocates of socialism from the 60's and 70's and their utopian dream. In order to give freely to one, you have to take from another and therein lies the problem.

From Thomas Sowell Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institute, Political Philosopher and all round clever bloke


There is no talent so ardently supported, nor generously rewarded, as the ability to convince parasites they are victims.



Welfare states on both sides of the Atlantic have discovered that largesse to losers does not reduce their hostility to society, but only increases it. Far from producing gratitude, generosity is seen as an admission of guilt, and the reparations as inadequate compensations for injustices - leading to worsening behavior by the recipients


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posted on Mar, 1 2017 @ 11:01 AM
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Yes its a lot to read and I do hope that most will actually read it and I hope that I've presented it in a way that is easily understood (although no doubt I've left bits out I'll remember later!) and apologies for no pretty pictures lol

Sources
Sweden Immigration
The failure of Multiculturalism
Neo Liberalism in the Minority Debate
Michigan University Is a Better World Possible?
I recommend having a look at this link and the intereactive dot map from which you will see large amounts of diversity in the city of Chicago but no social cohesion illustrated
Chicago Diversity
The Diversity Fraud by Thomas Sowell
The Downside of Diversity

Thanks for reading
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posted on Mar, 1 2017 @ 11:05 AM
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Brave. You are going to get flamed for this because its true, but it's not a comfortable one. Therefore you and the facts you have included will be mercilessly attacked by our **LIBERAL** sorority.

Expect also to be personally insulted and called a snowflake/sexist/racist/xenophobe/Islamaphobe etc because when faced with undeniable truth that doesn't fit the modern liberal narrative that is the go to tactic.

Good for you.
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edit on Sat Mar 4 2017 by DontTreadOnMe because: Reaffirming Our Desire For Productive Political Debate (REVISED)



posted on Mar, 1 2017 @ 11:08 AM
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a reply to: CulturalResilience

I have my broad shoulders on today lol.....I hope to look forward to some great debate and discussion rather than insults and whinging



posted on Mar, 1 2017 @ 11:09 AM
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Awesome post couldn't agree more.



posted on Mar, 1 2017 @ 11:09 AM
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a reply to: brutus61

Thank you



posted on Mar, 1 2017 @ 11:11 AM
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originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: CulturalResilience

I have my broad shoulders on today lol.....I hope to look forward to some great debate and discussion rather than insults and whinging


That is undoubtedly what your post deserves and in any sane society that is what would happen. But sanity and modern liberalism are mutually exclusive. Cultural Marxism is just another term for a sick society that is heading for self-destruction. As a member of a global minority I am one the people whose existence is under the greatest threat from Multiculturalism.



posted on Mar, 1 2017 @ 11:14 AM
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a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

I fail to understand how people can articulate the idea that multiculturalism is failing or can fail. The entire existence of the United States has been a 241 year long exercise in multiculturalism.



posted on Mar, 1 2017 @ 11:19 AM
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It is not just different cultures that this is true for. Even white Americans who are on the government take feel entitled to what they receive. If you suggest they get a job or maybe do some community service work they will find all kinds of excuses why they can't but yet half(just a guess) of them will sell their excess food stamps to buy drugs and alcohol. I know many that make public assistance a way of life. They will travel around to many different food banks to get more more more. What is worse is that they openly brag about it. I needed assistance once in my life and went to job training. I was the only one there that applied myself. Most were just there to satisfy their requirements so they could keep getting free handouts.



posted on Mar, 1 2017 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

The hard truth is that "diversity" means less White people.

And 9 out of 10 people clamoring for more "diversity" live in a homogeneous bubble that is anything but diverse.

Why is it that "diversity" is ONLY pushed in White majority countries?


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posted on Mar, 1 2017 @ 11:20 AM
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That "Multiculturalism" you are referring to took place when there was no welfare state and those that came to the fledgling US had the will and intention to become productive members of the society. Their expectations were completely different to the Culturally Marxist entitlement complex of today's US.
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posted on Mar, 1 2017 @ 11:23 AM
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a reply to: CulturalResilience

Took place? Multiculturalism hasn't ended and is still going on today. You just said a load of nonsense.
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posted on Mar, 1 2017 @ 11:24 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

I fail to understand how people can articulate the idea that multiculturalism is failing or can fail. The entire existence of the United States has been a 241 year long exercise in multiculturalism.


For 200 of those years it actually worked. People from around the globe desired to BECOME AMERICAN. Now they just want to live in America and keep all of their own beliefs. That is not to say that in the past people gave up their culture, but they joined ours thereby making both greater.

ETA: Along with all of that they expect us to become like them in our own country.
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posted on Mar, 1 2017 @ 11:26 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

I fail to understand how people can articulate the idea that multiculturalism is failing or can fail. The entire existence of the United States has been a 241 year long exercise in multiculturalism.


Bull. The first couple hundred years were an exercise in adaption and conforming to western European culturalism. We did not appease migrants and foreign cultures in the US, we assimilated them. The current ideology of multiculturalism, one in which American society bends and warps to accommodate the foreign and make them feel "at home" is a recipe for failure. Either America's unique culture dies in that equation, or we end up with significant pockets of resistance and disharmony. 100+ years ago the cultural and technological gaps between the US and the world's poorer nations was nowhere near what it is today. The countries sending the most people into the US are from cultures incompatible with modern western society's values and standards.



posted on Mar, 1 2017 @ 11:27 AM
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a reply to: DrStevenBrule

I believe that is as a result of our acceptance of white guilt. Without our acceptance of it, there would be no white guilt. This is another liberal idea pushed upon the "victims" to give reason to their misery, any reason will do except the facts. Germany in particular have and excess of guilt over the 2nd WW and some politicians have openly stated that they have a duty to accept the migrants as a direct result thereof



posted on Mar, 1 2017 @ 11:29 AM
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originally posted by: brutus61

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

I fail to understand how people can articulate the idea that multiculturalism is failing or can fail. The entire existence of the United States has been a 241 year long exercise in multiculturalism.


For 200 of those years it actually worked. People from around the globe desired to BECOME AMERICAN. Now they just want to live in America and keep all of their own beliefs. That is not to say that in the past people gave up their culture, but they joined ours thereby making both greater.

ETA: Along with all of that they expect us to become like them in our own country.

Saying that today's cultures aren't doing that too is just ignorance. For one, most cultural blending happens generationly. Kids adopt to newer cultures much easier than adults since they grow up in them. It usually takes about three generations for an immigrant population to blend into its new culture.



posted on Mar, 1 2017 @ 11:30 AM
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The keyword is assimilation. Immigrants in the past were Americans first, immigrants second. They were expected to assimilate to American culture, language, and ideals.



posted on Mar, 1 2017 @ 11:30 AM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

Agreed. However, integration and assimilation are different and not one country that I have researched adopts the assimilation approach except France, and if we look at the results of both integration and assimilation neither works long term, UNLESS the migrants are of a similar recognisable culture & belief system to that of the host nation



posted on Mar, 1 2017 @ 11:30 AM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

No what you just said was a bunch of bull.

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”


And anti-immigrant sentiment like yours isn't new. Ever see Gangs of New York? That is about anti-immigrant gangs fighting immigrant gangs in turn of the century NYC.
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