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Theresa May to end EU citizens rights

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posted on Feb, 27 2017 @ 08:30 AM
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Within days a step is to be taken to remove the right of EU citizens to remain permanently in the UK. I for one agree with this. Link is via the BREXIT thread

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posted on Feb, 27 2017 @ 09:00 AM
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What's going to happen to the 2-3 million Britains living in Europe?

Do you agree with them having their rights removed and them being possibly sent home?



posted on Feb, 27 2017 @ 09:05 AM
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link so no need to pointlessly switch between threads.
...also the link is wrong in the other thread the OP is trying to direct you to.



posted on Feb, 27 2017 @ 09:06 AM
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THE ALTERNATIVE........ to be assimilated by the Muzzys.

They are not far from the brink. How they have fallen, from Colonial occupation world-wide, to gasping for air as their country is devoured from within by attrition.

I wish them every opportunity to prevent losing their sovereignty....



posted on Feb, 27 2017 @ 09:10 AM
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originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe
What's going to happen to the 2-3 million Britains living in Europe?

Do you agree with them having their rights removed and them being possibly sent home?
I'm one of them who spends 9 months a year in another EU country. I agree with what TM is doing.



posted on Feb, 27 2017 @ 09:19 AM
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It says in the article that those already here and arriving before 15th March will not be affected provided the EU agree that those Brits living abroad are afforded the same courtesy. Hmmm fat chance of that happening



posted on Feb, 27 2017 @ 09:33 AM
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Perhaps wait and see.

Right, or wrong, the EU citizenry in the UK at the moment will be part of negotiations. People complain tat teh UK government has not given assuraces, but then the EU has not given assurances to UK citizens living in other EU countries.

The likely outcome will be that EU citizens will be treated with kid gloves, with easy rights to work and live, but no easy ways to be welfare tourists. The reverse will be true across the EU for British nationals.

Brexit will happen, but the world won't end.



posted on Feb, 27 2017 @ 10:16 AM
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a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

I do not agree with this.

I voted out, but I do not agree with this in the slightest. I do not agree with the intention behind it, I do not agree with the methodology, and I do not agree that the correct people to manage a British exit from the EU, are the Tory filth. We need out, but we need pulling out with care and consideration, not with all the grace and poise of a Conservative MP atop his or her favourite escort.



posted on Feb, 27 2017 @ 10:21 AM
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a reply to: Plotus

No one who deserves to be breathing, voted out because they are afraid of or concerned about Muslims.

The only legitimate out votes, were those done on the basis that our membership was illegal anyway, and that the EU is a massive corporate infiltrated mess, which supported the corporate infiltrated mess that is our own government. Once we are out, I am hoping that the people will go to war with corruption, that cut off from EU support, our government will be defenceless when the people come to take the power away from the disgusting cretins in parliament, in order to put it where it belongs. In the hands of the many, rather than the few.



posted on Feb, 27 2017 @ 11:12 AM
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Thanks for the clarification, and I admit I am not up on British politics, though I find the Queen charming and one who has endured much.a reply to: TrueBrit



posted on Feb, 27 2017 @ 11:44 AM
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As Paraphai has stated, we shouldn't be giving any assurances whilst we prepare for negotiations, after all the E.U commission has not given any reassurances, apart from threatening us with a huge bill and threatening us with suggestions of making life difficult for the U.K. Their negative attitude has actually consolidated my reasoning for voting leave.

Of course it will not be the end of immigration, it couldn't possibly be. Controlled immigration is required, because the Tories are not going to invest in infrastructure, and services are being squeezed as a result.

It's all part of the C.K Plan that the E.U are so keen to push through and have been for decades.



posted on Feb, 27 2017 @ 12:20 PM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

What do you disagree with regarding intentions and methodology exactly?

There has to be a cut off date and that has always troubled me, how to do it with least misfortune for all nationals, UK and EU.

If the date was announced too far in the future then yes there would be a large amount of people from poor nations who would clearly be inspired to beat the deadline. An immigration spike would be likely, and when wishing to control immigration that is not sensible.

I think May has found a least worst option by giving a couple of weeks notice now. There will be some genuine people who have plans already but miss the date and are inconvenienced, but if they are useful to Britain they'll still get here.
Immigration is not being ended in March, just the rights to remain if you settle here after the date.

None of my EU mates are pissed off about this, instead they are all relieved. All their loved ones who wanted to are already here, and the rest are booking flights/buses to sleep on their sofas and have a legal address before the date.

So what do you disagree about?
The intention is to manage and control immigration. The method is announcing a date with short notice to prevent any dramatic increase in people over a prolonged period.
I think that would be a stupid move.



posted on Feb, 27 2017 @ 01:21 PM
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The larger part of immigrants going to the UK are not even eu citizens.

There's been no mention of how that will be dealt with showing this is all a farce trying to appease the anti immigrant crowd.



posted on Feb, 27 2017 @ 01:27 PM
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a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

This thread is about the specific challenges negotiating the UK's exit from the EU and the effect on EU citizens.
If you wish to start a thread to discuss non EUiimmigration I would be interested in replying on topic there.



posted on Feb, 28 2017 @ 03:56 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand

I believe in leaving the EU. I do not believe in a change in border access for people coming in. I never cared a bit about immigration, save that I wish we took more refugees from wars we paid for. My disagreement with the methodology is that there are already stacking up, examples of people who have been married to British citizens for thirty odd years, having their residency questioned because they have been abroad looking after a relative.

If there is no compassion or mercy in the system, then I would stand against it every time.

Personally, I believe it is not immigration that needed controlling. Its the government and Whitehall which need controlling. Its the companies our government employs privately, which rip off our taxpayer base every chance they get. Its the security companies owned by husbands of Parliamentarians, which need controlling, or preferably liquidating, on grounds that their profiteering and outright frauds over the years would represent a treason, if treason was properly defined for the modern age (i.e. Crimes against the people entire, rather than any one individual in the country).

What I also believe, is that far more important than dealing with the topic of immigration, is a full and frank look at the legal changes to regular citizens that will result from our exit of the EU, with regard to employment law, housing, finance, and so on. What I believe is a matter of far greater urgency, is to get a copy paste job done in legal terms, to ensure that no rights be lost by this event in world history. Leaving our people in a more powerful position or at least as powerful when compared to the government, is what I am talking about.

Only once that has been completed, should any thought to be given to the relatively irrelevant topic of who is here, where they are from, and all that nonsense that only Britain First or Nutall of the Kip give a damn about.



posted on Feb, 28 2017 @ 09:39 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

So you wish for open borders and free movement of people all over the world then? Interesting. Strange that hardly any countries outside of the EU wish for the same. Perhaps it's because without management of immigration it is impossible for countries to plan housing and services needs etc.

I agree about helping more refugees but dismiss the issue as off topic here as this thread is specifically about the rights to remain for EU nationals after an announcement of the deadline.

Oh and your slur regarding people who support sensible management of immigration and associating them with Britain First is a ridiculous overly emotional deflection.
I abhor Britain First but I support sensible management of immigration, same as pretty much every country outside of the EU does.



posted on Mar, 1 2017 @ 05:37 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand

At no stage did I suggest that I wished for totally open borders. What I said is that it was not worth voting out of the EU over. It did not enter my mind, because it is a non-issue. Contrary to popular misconceptions on the topic, there is nothing at all wrong with the way our border rules work, but enforcement is frankly sub par, which is the only thing that causes any trouble what so ever. Furthermore, its entirely legitimate to call out the people who voted over immigration concerns as having missed the bloody point to a staggering degree. Any vote over these concerns cannot be counted as anything other than phobic, the ballot of a limp wrist, a weak arm, because no matter any potential argument to the contrary, they ARE based entirely on fear, not good sense, compassion, love of liberty or freedom, but ONLY in fear.

In my opinion, no one who voted out because of a concern about immigration, ought to call themselves British. No true Scotsman and all that.

Being British means being immune to such petty concerns as fear of this and that, whether that be increased personal hardship, or risk to our physical lives from some perceived increase in crime that might come with an increase in population. Are we the sort of cowards who shy away from hardship and danger, having seen fit to inflict ourselves on the rest of the world without any consideration for the lives of civilians elsewhere? Are we really that utterly pathetic that we cannot take on a little risk to better enjoy liberty and freedom?

I say there are much greater concerns than threats from abroad. I did not vote out because of such a thing. I voted out because I want to isolate our government from the support it was receiving from Brussels and elsewhere, I voted out because I want to take our government apart, and rebuild it to be a slave to its people, not a slave to the private interests of the corporate entities that have their fingers in it currently. I know it will be impossible to disentangle the mess that corporate infiltration of government has become, with yet another corporate infiltrated body, that being the EU government, trying to prevent the downfall of this unholy union betwixt the corporations and the government.

I voted so that when we act to take back the country for the streets, and EVERYONE living on them, no matter where they might hail from or what their religious or ethnic background, there will be no law but the law of the people to prevent us from actually achieving our aims. We must make a government here on these isles which has no power in any matter, unless given power by the people to deal with a specific matter, a government of slaves, not just servants, slaves to our will, to our needs, to our dreams and aspirations, not a government which lambasts the poor, tortures the sick, starves its health services and murders justice by its every other thought, word and deed. We need to build a government not just to represent the people, but of the people, the normal people of the country, not some group of well to do elitists who have never done a days real work in their lives. We need accountable governance, not just by people who are prepared to represent the regular folk, but who ARE the regular folk, people who understand that our principles are worth more to us than practicalities, people who understand that in order for a thing to be done, it must be done with the correct ethical approach, not with total abandon for right and wrong, not done without compassion and noble intent.

We need our liberty protected, our freedoms reinstated, the mass surveillance culture to end, the involvement with oil war to end, the protection of financial interests to the detriment of our reputation and our honour as citizens to END. The only way to do that, is to become the government, to become the power in the country, to deny all else than the will of the people from EVER affecting a damn thing the government does, ever again.

This cannot happen while Britain remains in the EU. It CAN happen though, and now is the time to begin laying the ground for it. Real Britons will join in, the rest will simply not understand the effort.



posted on Mar, 1 2017 @ 05:57 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

This thread is about the cut off date for EU nationals to have rights of residency.
Your ramblings about Citizen Smith style government changes are a bit off topic.

So are you saying you support sensible management of immigration now, or not?



posted on Mar, 1 2017 @ 06:09 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand

I support things being left just as they are regarding the rules for immigration. No change what so ever, thank you very much. So yes, in fact I do support sensible immigration policy, like the one we actually have. I also support an increase in refugee transfer from locations in which they are at risk, to our shores, given that our taxpayer money went into the destruction of their safety and peace.



posted on Mar, 1 2017 @ 06:30 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

So the obvious question is why do you support free movement of people for EU nationals but not the rest of the world?
How do you explain away that clear discrimination?
You haven't really considered this properly have you.



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