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Difference between a liberal and a conservative

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posted on Feb, 26 2017 @ 01:44 PM
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I was recently forwarded a link to a New York Times letter from the publishers. In it, it said they are going to “rededicate” themselves to their mission, of reporting all sides honestly and fairly.

Well, I don’t accept the Mea Culpa coming from the media, it is akin to someone who apologizes, more, for getting caught than what they got caught doing.  To the media,  You were entrusted with a very serious responsibility by the founders of this nation, you were entrusted to be the Fourth Estate, You were entrusted to be a 4th check on the government , just in case the three branches got out of control. You were entrusted to be the voice of the people when the government ceased to be, instead you gave in to the power and the money, and the fame, and the invitation to the party. You turned your back on We The People and signed up to be nothing more than a propaganda arm of the ruling class, especially on the liberal side of the aisle. You are no different now than TMZ or National Enquirer, and to you  I say We do not need you anymore, We have shown that we will do the job you were entrusted with so you can just worry about what the Kardashians are doing ,or what a celebrity is wearing, or where they are vacationing. We only need you now for entertainment purpose.
 
I am going to nerd out a little bit here and give you a comparison to the way things are with a Star Trek analogy. There is a race of alien in Star Trek called The Borg, the Borg are all about the “collective” it is kind of a hive mentality. All the Borg’s sole purpose is to serve the collective and they lose their individual identity by assimilating, there is NO Individualism with them.  The Borg tell everyone “Resistance is Futile, you will be assimilated” I believe that is the Core difference between Liberal and Conservative, you can forget all the other issues such as gay marriage, abortion, taxation, because all of it always funnels down to    Individualism(conservatives) versus The Collective(Liberalism).  That is why  when friends of mine were surprised that the Republicans “leadership”(and I use that term loosely) ran from Trump I did not know why they were surprised . At the core it makes sense that Conservatives don’t rally around the candidate the way Liberals do, because, at the core Liberals are about the Collective, the community, when one is hurt we all rush in, and conservatives are about individual reponsibilty. I , for one, would rather have individualism and responsibility than live for the hive, being told what to think, and say , and do.

The sad part is the Liberals ,we are told , are supposed to be the non-violent, love and accept everyone, diverse and enlightened ones, while the conservatives ,again, as we are told, are supposed to be the violent, bigoted, sexist, hate mongering ones, yet, all the evidence points to just the opposite. When anything does not go their way the liberals are the ones that take to the streets, violently rioting and protesting, and don’t get me wrong anyone has every right to protest but not to be violent and spew hate speech and threats, and shut commerce  down. liberals are the ones that shut down anyone that does not agree with their view point and force their beliefs on others (You Will be Assimilated), Liberals are supposed to be the side of diversity yet look at the primaries this year. The Democrats put up three white guys and a white woman who has been part of the ruling class for 30+ years whereas the Conservative side fielded, an African American(Carson), and Indian American(Jindal), a Woman(Fiorina), and two Hispanics( Cruz and Rubio).

Now that the tough love is done, let me get to the real, much larger problem. At the end of the day this does not even boil down to conservatism and liberalism. This boils down to what, up until this year, was viewed as conspiracy theory in the realm of tinfoil hats, and fake moon landings and that is that there is a Ruling Class Cabal in this country and then there are those who are ruled over. For the record I am not an anarchist I believe people need LEADERS, not RULERS Individuals believe in having a good leader whereas The Collective need to be RULED and told what to think and care about. THOSE are the only two real groups that exist in this country, and in the world for that matter. If you hate Donald Trump and everything he stands for I will not try and change your mind, but, the one good thing he has done(along with Wikileaks) that I think we can all agree on is brought this all out into the open. And time will tell if he is just another Cog in the Wheel of the ruling class, but, for now he does not appear to be. I was not a big Trump supporter at the beginning, but the more I saw all those in the Establishment Media and Government (Republican and Democrat) come out against him the more I liked him. I believe they hate him so much because he exists outside of their game, outside of the rules they have to play by set by those who bought and control all of them. My mother used to call it the Smokescreen, I call it a tactic that has been around since Man first started forming tribes  and that is Divide and Conquer. It is like the old Looney Tunes cartoon of the coyote and sheep dog, They would walk to work in the morning as friends and have dinner with each other at their houses but when the work bell rang they would beat the hell out of each other. I believe our ruling class do the same thing, I believe it is all political theater to keep us divided and fighting with each other. I believe whenever they see we are starting to coexist and get along is when they throw out a hot button issue to get us fighting again. And that is why the ruling class, through the propaganda arm of the media,  really needs to foment the division and rioting now that there is a guy in there that exists outside of the rules they are bound by. They know that if we stop fighting with each other and look at them as a whole and see what is really going on, they will be in trouble and will be held to account by ALL OF US. When Lincoln gave his house divided speech and said  “ A house divided against itself cannot stand”  he wanted to see a United people. I believe the ruling class now, sadly, see the house divided as a tactic to be used to Lord over US.




posted on Feb, 26 2017 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: norhoc

One thing I noticed is that there are Liberals who think Liberals can't be white supremacists and that only Conservatives are racists.

Well sorry to break their bubble but there are Liberals that looked down on minorities.


thegrio.com...



posted on Feb, 26 2017 @ 02:16 PM
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a reply to: norhoc

Some great insight here, this should resonate with a lot of people.



posted on Feb, 26 2017 @ 02:25 PM
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they both sound like extremes when some where right in the middle lies the truth.



posted on Feb, 26 2017 @ 02:46 PM
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You were entrusted to be a 4th check on the government , just in case the three branches got out of control.


There were suppose to be six checks to balance the states power.

The first three are well known.

The Fourth is the press.

The Fifth is the people.

The SIxth is the frowned upon that is why they are trying desperately to ban boom sticks.

The GUN.

ALL five have failed.

The last one has been whittled away in to nothing.

Pretty sad what this country has become.



posted on Feb, 26 2017 @ 02:46 PM
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Modern Liberals pick and choose what they want to follow but this usually is done in small or large groups. It was a little easier to identify liberals before than now. everyone has some conservative and some liberal values. When discussing politics, it is different than discussing other things, most liberals fit the bill in politics but vary quite a bit on other issues than before.

Liberals seem to want to protect their way of life and can be deeply divided on some issues if they interfere with that way of life. So elite liberals do not have the full support of the bottom half of the middle class nearly as much as they think they do. This will be their downfall. Class is not defined by dollar at all, it includes factors like your local cost of living basis, there is a big difference in what five thousand dollars difference in income is worth from one place to another.

The liberal groups usually crumble because of this in a little while when the elite liberals make comments that disassociate their followers by effecting their income. The liberal trend now is that the kids just getting out of college believe they should be getting paid just as well as some that went to work and worked their way up to good jobs. They seem to want to make just as much money as their counterparts by working at Subway. They believed the liberal lie that college pays off. It does for some people while it just puts most people in debt.



posted on Feb, 26 2017 @ 02:51 PM
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a reply to: norhoc

You had me at the Borg reference!



posted on Feb, 26 2017 @ 02:53 PM
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originally posted by: norhoc

The sad part is the Liberals ,we are told , are supposed to be the non-violent, love and accept everyone, diverse and enlightened ones, while the conservatives ,again, as we are told, are supposed to be the violent, bigoted, sexist, hate mongering ones, yet, all the evidence points to just the opposite. When anything does not go their way the liberals are the ones that take to the streets, violently rioting and protesting, and don’t get me wrong anyone has every right to protest but not to be violent and spew hate speech and threats, and shut commerce  down. liberals are the ones that shut down anyone that does not agree with their view point and force their beliefs on others (You Will be Assimilated), Liberals are supposed to be the side of diversity yet look at the primaries this year. The Democrats put up three white guys and a white woman who has been part of the ruling class for 30+ years whereas the Conservative side fielded, an African American(Carson), and Indian American(Jindal), a Woman(Fiorina), and two Hispanics( Cruz and Rubio).


This is a bit disingenuous. You are committing the fatal sin of the broad brush stroke. I am a liberal and I haven't hurt anyone or threatened anyone, nor have any of my liberal friends and family. I get on facebook and see posts by liberals that don't involve any physical threats of violence. I haven't seen any threats of violence from any liberal poster on ATS. I see protests like the women's march, which was YUGE that was full of liberals and didn't involve any violence. The anarchists who caused problems at some of the recent protests are NOT liberals - they are just troublemakers. There have been many peaceful protests that didn't get much news coverage because they were peaceful and... boring.

You say the conservative side fielded more minorities during the election, but guess who won the primaries by a long shot - a white guy. Don't forget that it was the Democrats that provided the first black POTUS. Not only did he win the Democratic primary, but he was president for 2 terms.

This is just another thinly veiled liberal-bashing thread. Shame on you. You are continuing the divisive rhetoric you claim to be against.



posted on Feb, 26 2017 @ 03:19 PM
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There is no difference between a liberal and a conservative. Both are idiots for thinking their single minded political ideology are the best way for this nation to go. The founders knew this that's why they drew upon both ideologies when creating this nation.



posted on Feb, 26 2017 @ 03:24 PM
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Difference between a liberal and a conservative


Liberal - Runs on emotion

Conservative - Runs on logic



posted on Feb, 26 2017 @ 03:33 PM
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I really disagree with your analogies

Liberals are pro choice, pro gay marriage, and pro immigration..

These are all cries for the recognition of people's individuality.

As liberals we want to celebrate and proliferate everyone's individuality.

The "Hive" mentality comes in when money is involved. All for one and one for all.

We want to celebrate individuality and at the same time.. all pitch in and workeep together as whole using our unique skills talents and perspectives to help eachother and the world become a better place. A place where there are no homeless or hungry... a world where we work in balance with our environment and offset our contribution to pollution.

THAT is what a liberal is...


My view point of conservative is exactly that... a regimented closed minded old way of thinking. A political thought process backed by those who are heavily religious and traditional. Those who want everyone to fit in a cookie cutter image of what they feel is right. A viewpoint of everyman for himself, make your own way, and only help others after you have helped yourself.

Which I guess works on an airplane thays going down, you gotta put your oxygen mask on first before you can help others, but it doesn't and shouldn't work that way I society.

We can be so much more, build so much more, and achieve so much more working In a collective unison aND tapping into everyone's true potential.



posted on Feb, 26 2017 @ 03:34 PM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Are you saying the violence and intolerance we have been seeing are not the liberals, and if you read the whole thing you would see at the end i said it is really about the rulers and the ruled over.



posted on Feb, 26 2017 @ 03:35 PM
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"Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya . . ."

Ack . . .

Here, have my hairball.



posted on Feb, 26 2017 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: Lucidparadox

You liberals only agree in " tolerance and free speech" as long as what is being said is what you agree with.If it is a different opinion or viewpoint you guts shut it down , protest and scream racist, sexist, homophobic.



posted on Feb, 26 2017 @ 03:43 PM
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originally posted by: norhoc
a reply to: Lucidparadox

You liberals only agree in " tolerance and free speech" as long as what is being said is what you agree with.If it is a different opinion or viewpoint you guts shut it down , protest and scream racist, sexist, homophobic.


Umm yes?

I would think it is logical to shut down racist sexist and homophobic attitudes.

Since those viewpoints are harmful towards others which is a detriment to society.

It's actually why although imy pro choice myself, I don't see any issue with pro-lifers because they aren't spewing hate 99% of the time, they are coming from a good place.

Those other items you mentioned though.. those can't come from a good place



posted on Feb, 26 2017 @ 03:46 PM
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a reply to: Lucidparadox

I didn't say we were all those things that is just what you guys call those you disagree with to shut them down.



posted on Feb, 26 2017 @ 03:51 PM
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originally posted by: norhoc
a reply to: kaylaluv

Are you saying the violence and intolerance we have been seeing are not the liberals, and if you read the whole thing you would see at the end i said it is really about the rulers and the ruled over.


www.businessinsider.com...

www.nwaonline.com...

www.necn.com...< br />

These are not liberals.

If your thread was really about the rulers, then why even include that paragraph I quoted?
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posted on Feb, 26 2017 @ 04:04 PM
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originally posted by: norhoc
a reply to: Lucidparadox

I didn't say we were all those things that is just what you guys call those you disagree with to shut them down.


It's all black and white isn't it. No shades of gray. Son, division and hatred for differing opinions eh? doing your share of keeping the division alive. Typical....
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posted on Feb, 26 2017 @ 04:12 PM
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The one thing that really bugs me is that if you aren't voting or come out as conservative, you are automatically labeled as a far left or a 'liberal'.
And then you get people who say the 'liberals' are the violent ones, that conservatives are the level headed ones.

It goes the other way as well, people who fall into the left 'category' will label conservatives racists.

But in reality, this isn't true at all.
You need to view the political spectrum as a sort of bell curve, majority of the voters and people on this planet fall into the center, and fall either slightly left, or slightly right, some others fall further left or right, and so on, and so on until you land in the deep left or deep right, communists, socialists, fascists, fundamentalists, etc, etc.

But it's funny, the meaning of liberalism (in a sense of politics) means you fall straight dead centre, the majority of the worlds population IS liberal.
The "liberals" people are calling libtards and leftists who are violent, or cause uproar aren't left-libertarian at all, they lean more to the RIGHT anarchism.

Hell, even Hilary Clinton labeled as a "left" most of the time is more smack dead conservative than anything else.
Trump is literally nationalism. The pure definition, only SLIGHTLY further to the right than Hilary.
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posted on Feb, 26 2017 @ 04:18 PM
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Lately, the glaring difference I see between Liberals and Conservatives? Liberals can own their crap, Conservatives push their crap over the line and point fingers.



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