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originally posted by: Raggedyman
And sadly how many Christians don't get it
The old covenant, the Old Testament laws are over in Christ
I see and hear so many christians still following the law, as if they think they can earn heaven and Gods grace. As if they think they have to
The Old covenant was replaced with the law (for want of a better word) of love. Let love guide your life
This message seems lost on the church, still
I guess people need to be religious
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: Raggedyman
Or replaced by the Spirit, which should come to the same thing.
Thank you for those comments.
originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
originally posted by: Raggedyman
And sadly how many Christians don't get it
The old covenant, the Old Testament laws are over in Christ
I see and hear so many christians still following the law, as if they think they can earn heaven and Gods grace. As if they think they have to
The Old covenant was replaced with the law (for want of a better word) of love. Let love guide your life
This message seems lost on the church, still
I guess people need to be religious
Kinda like how Christians still pay tithes, when tithing was clearly a form of agricultural tax to support the Levitical Priesthood.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
Therefore God’s people should not be tempted to return to it.
originally posted by: namelesss
originally posted by: DISRAELI
Therefore God’s people should not be tempted to return to it.
An interesting turn of phrase; "God's people".
And what about those Jews, they give it great meaning.
Or are they not "God's people"?
It sounds like the only way to be "God's people" is if you are infested with Xtian 'beliefs', as opposed to the dirty little 'beliefs' of the heathens (anyone not Xtian)!?
So, you are a Xtian who thinks that the ten commandments are obsolete?
That the entire bible (as opposed to the NT) can now be 'done away with' for all Xtians?
All that 'belief food' discarded uneaten?
The bible is a massive amount of data .Its possible to torture any data set to make it confess to what ever you want . You are correct about the tithes .It could even go further and say that they had to come from the tribe of levi its self ,though I may be wrong on that .
Kinda like how Christians still pay tithes, when tithing was clearly a form of agricultural tax to support the Levitical Priesthoonly
Reading the word would be #1 but the Sprite has a mandate to point us always towards Jesus Christ .I would suggest that with the Sprite working in us and having Jesus as a central point ,the believer can look at the world around him and filter the bad from the good and come to conclusions that will please God .
The down side is the Spirit is very hard to hear with all the noise of this life What's the secret to amplifying that still,quiet voice I wonder
originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Raggedyman
Reading the word would be #1 but the Sprite has a mandate to point us always towards Jesus Christ .I would suggest that with the Sprite working in us and having Jesus as a central point ,the believer can look at the world around him and filter the bad from the good and come to conclusions that will please God .
The down side is the Spirit is very hard to hear with all the noise of this life What's the secret to amplifying that still,quiet voice I wonder
This good bad , thesis anti-thesis works its self out with that small voice you seek . To better understand the process read the Hegelian dialectic ...peace
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: namelesss
The New Testament position is that the Old Testament is the first foundation of the faith,
"God's people" begins as a description of those who belong to God in the Old Testament, and then expands to extend to those Gentiles and those Jews who have understood him in the New Testament way.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
Infested with Christian beliefs, what like Jesus is God, He wants us to love Him and each other above all...all those infested Xian beliefs
Why? Did you have some other beliefs for us to believe?
Did you want Xians to stone people, judge people, go to war
It's funny, complaining if Christians follow the laws of the OT and now complaining that we don't do it the way you want us to
You know what nameless one, it doesn't have to be discarded, you can become a Jew if you like
Try this,
Old Testament is the old covenant
The New Testament is the new covenant
originally posted by: namelesss
Seems rather 'exclusive/conditional', as opposed to Jesus' unconditional Love, completely 'inclusive/unconditional', transcendent!
JEHOVAH’S only-begotten Son, Jesus Christ, left no doubt about worship that pleases his heavenly Father. While giving a heartwarming witness to a Samaritan woman at a well near the city of Sychar, Jesus said: “You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation originates with the Jews. Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth.” (John 4:22-24)
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The Samaritans had false religious views. They accepted as inspired only the first five books of the Holy Scriptures—and these just in their own recension, called the Samaritan Pentateuch. Whereas the Samaritans did not really know God, the Jews had been entrusted with Scriptural knowledge. (Romans 3:1, 2) It was possible for faithful Jews and others to enjoy Jehovah’s favor. But what would this require of them?To please Jehovah, what did Jews, Samaritans, and others of the past have to do? They had to worship him “with spirit and truth.” So must we. Although service to God must be spirited, or zealous, and motivated by a heart filled with love and faith, worshiping God with spirit especially requires that we have his holy spirit resting upon us and allow ourselves to be guided by it. Through study and application of God’s Word, our spirit, or mental disposition, must be attuned to his. (1 Corinthians 2:8-12) For our worship to be acceptable to Jehovah, it must also be rendered to him with truth. It must conform to what God’s Word, the Bible, reveals about him and his purposes.
Truth Can Be Found
4. How do some view truth?
4 Certain students of philosophy have developed the view that ultimate truth is not within the reach of mankind. In fact, Swedish author Alf Ahlberg wrote: “Many philosophical questions are of such a nature that it is not possible to give a definite answer to them.” Although some say that there is only relative truth, is that really so? Not according to Jesus Christ.
5. Why did Jesus come into the world?
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