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Tucker Carlson Absolutely Destroys DNC Advisor On TRANS Science

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posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 08:38 AM
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Telling someone they cannot use a certain bathroom based on their sexual orientation or identity is a clear case of discrimination and breaks U.S. Code Title 42, Chapter 21 -- Civil Rights.

There is no two ways around it. Remember conservatives this is from the same document you always tell people you love.

Constitutional Amendments and Major Civil Rights Acts of Congress Referenced in Black Americans in Congress

The Civil Rights Act of 1964.

P.L. 88–352

Prohibited discrimination in public accommodations, facilities, and schools. Outlawed discrimination in federally funded projects. Created the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission to monitor employment discrimination in public and private sectors. Provided additional capacities to enforce voting rights. Extended the Civil Rights Commission for four years. Passed by the 88th Congress (1963–1965) as H.R. 7152
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posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 08:47 AM
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As for the science on transgenders, well you can always find differing scientific thoughts on that.

Which one is right, who knows but to deny another the same rights afforded to everyone based on your own assumptions of what is normal is wrong.



posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 08:47 AM
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a reply to: Mictain

It is not a civil rights case to deny someone special privileges.

It would be a civil rights case if they were denied the same rights that everyone is entitled to.

What part of that don't you get?

No one is denying them the right to use the bathroom, dude. We are simply saying that making a federal trans bathroom law to protect a certain class is actually allowing them more freedom than the rest of the population. The only way it would be equal is if every single American identified as transgendered.

The civil rights act guarantees all of the rights in the constitution to every human being in the United States. The problem with your argument, is getting to choose whichever bathroom you want isn't protected in the constitution, hence the reason Obama had to create a new law that grants transgender citizens more rights and freedoms than everybody else.


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posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 08:56 AM
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originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: Mictain

It is not a civil rights case to deny someone special privileges.

It would be a civil rights case if they were denied the same rights that everyone is entitled to.



Someone's special privileges, how is someone wanted to use the bathroom a special privilege?

They want to use the bathroom, simple..they don't want anything else. They are fighting this because there are certain people who want to deny them a privilege afforded to everyone else.

Name the "special" privileges they want besides using the same washroom they identify with. They are not fighting to deny others washroom privileges, they are not fighting for their own washrooms, again I ask what "special" privileges are they asking for.




It would be a civil rights case if they were denied the same rights that everyone is entitled to.


It is a civil rights act because there are people in America and on here, who want to deny them the right to use the washroom they identify with.

How, exactly, is that hard to understand?
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posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: Mictain

The privilege to go in either restroom, male or female & regardless of gender, is a privilege that is not granted to non transgendered citizens.

The only way for non transgendered citizens to obtain these same privileges is to identify as a transgendered person.

This is the last time I'm explaining this to you, you should have figured this out 3 pages back.



posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 09:02 AM
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originally posted by: ColdWisdom


No one is denying them the right to use the bathroom, dude. We are simply saying that making a federal trans bathroom law to protect a certain class is actually allowing them more freedom than the rest of the population. The only way it would be equal is if every single American identified as transgendered.

The civil rights act guarantees all of the rights in the constitution to every human being in the United States. The problem with your argument, is getting to choose whichever bathroom you want isn't protected in the constitution, hence the reason Obama had to create a new law that grants transgender citizens more rights and freedoms than everybody else.



You are allowed to go to the public facility that fits you best and where you feel most comfortable. Without the protection, transgender people aren't given that allowance. Without that protection, a trans girl would be forced to use the boy's room at high school, where her safety is at stake.



posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 09:05 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

"When my daughter was 2, she would see a picture of a boy/man with long hair and she would say it was a girl because she said boys have short hair and girls have long hair. It wasn't about the penis or vagina at that point."

So your two year old really had no concept of gender. Being able to crudely identify one over the other isn't the same as understanding a concept. Geesh.



posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 09:06 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv


You are allowed to go to the public facility that fits you best and where you feel most comfortable. Without the protection, transgender people aren't given that allowance. Without that protection, a trans girl would be forced to use the boy's room at high school, where her safety is at stake.


Single room, single stall, unisex bathrooms will work just fine for them.



posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 09:08 AM
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I watched it. Tucker held firm, the guy danced around the question for 5 minutes.

This wasn't an issue. This is a wedge issue brought up on purpose.
How was it solved before? If they looked like a woman, it was ok. If a man that looked like a man tried to go into a women's bathroom people would get involved often.


The problem with a law is because the same people advocating this law also will not put firm characteristics on what a gender is. Once gender cannot be defined legally everyone is all genders.

The future of this goes like this
All it takes is a small of group of middle school boys to go into a females locker room to strike down these laws, The outrage will national news, the boys would win a court case in if they are in one of the states. The courts will then have to rule on what a gender is. Unless it is the 9th circuit who will rule everything is now co-ed.



posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 09:10 AM
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originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: Mictain

The privilege to go in either restroom, male or female & regardless of gender, is a privilege that is not granted to non transgendered citizens.



They are not, that is close to being a lie. They are specifically fighting for the right to use the bathroom they identify with.

For example, Show me one story where a transgendered person has specifically stated they should be allowed to use both a men's or women's washroom.

You can't because that is not what this entire debate is about, it is about a transgendered man or woman being afford the right to use the bathroom they specifically identify with.

To say otherwise is a lie.
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posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 09:15 AM
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As for 2 year olds




If we were to single out the major intellectual limitation at this age, it would be your child’s feeling that everything that happens in his world is the result of something he has done. With a belief like this, it becomes very difficult for him to understand correctly such concepts as death, divorce, or illness, without feeling that he played some role in it.
So if parents separate or a family member gets sick, children often feel responsible. Reasoning with your two-year-old is often difficult. After all, he views everything in extremely simple terms. He still often confuses fantasy with reality unless he’s actively playing make-believe. Therefore, during this stage, be sure to choose your own words carefully: Comments that you think are funny or playful—such as “If you eat more cereal, you’ll explode”—actually may panic him, since he won’t know you’re joking.


2 year olds have a very weak grasp on the rules of reality.
You could tell them that since they played with a doll they are now a girl and they would believe it.

yes transpeople are raised as their genetic makeup, makes sense its their genetic makeup. Children reasoning skills are extremely lacking, that's why we don't let them vote, drive, work, or consent to any legal decision. They are very short sighted.



posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 09:16 AM
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originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: kaylaluv


You are allowed to go to the public facility that fits you best and where you feel most comfortable. Without the protection, transgender people aren't given that allowance. Without that protection, a trans girl would be forced to use the boy's room at high school, where her safety is at stake.


Single room, single stall, unisex bathrooms will work just fine for them.


They will also work fine for anyone who's afraid of getting a transgender kid's cooties.



posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 09:18 AM
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For example, Show me one story where a transgendered man has specifically stated he should be allowed to use both a men's or women's washroom.


Just what did you think "the bathroom they identify with," means? It means they can decide it at their own leisure.

Again, this really isn't about the bathrooms. It's about the legal definition of transgendered and how that applies to broader issues such as being able to play on a woman's sports team, qualifying for female specific grants/loans/scholarships, and the fact that the DNC Advisor in the video is endorsing a federalized system with no verification that is openly exploitable.



posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 09:19 AM
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originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: kaylaluv


You are allowed to go to the public facility that fits you best and where you feel most comfortable. Without the protection, transgender people aren't given that allowance. Without that protection, a trans girl would be forced to use the boy's room at high school, where her safety is at stake.


Single room, single stall, unisex bathrooms will work just fine for them.


Separate but equal?

Nope. Try again.



posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 09:22 AM
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The real issue here is that states like North Carolina that TOOK IT ON THEMSELVES to enact laws which discriminated against trans-people (and all LGBT).

This action on the part of Trump will inspire 12 states to REPLACE THESE DISCRIMINATORY LAWS. And of course, more will join.

The steps that Obama took at the Federal level were in response to these States THAT COULDN'T LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE

So, if enacting such laws is DIVISIVE, look to the State-level, not the Federal.

(You know, if you're not conversant with current events, a cursory review of the facts before you start talking would be appreciated.)

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posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 09:24 AM
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originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: Mictain


For example, Show me one story where a transgendered man has specifically stated he should be allowed to use both a men's or women's washroom.


Just what did you think "the bathroom they identify with," means? It means they can decide it at their own leisure.



Then those are not transgendered people. A transgender person believes they identify with the opposite sex, there is no "one day I think I'll be a man/woman".

It is like being straight, there is no off day for being straight and it is something you cannot decide at your own leisure. It just is.



posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 09:24 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Why don't you ask them what they'd prefer?

I'll guarantee you if given the opportunity to have their own private bathroom they would willingly prefer that over the use of multi occupant bathrooms.

Again, we are talking about less than 1% of the population.



posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 09:27 AM
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Why the hell is this even a Topic?

People need to grow some and realise this is all crap.



posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 09:27 AM
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originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: Gryphon66

Why don't you ask them what they'd prefer?

I'll guarantee you if given the opportunity to have their own private bathroom they would willingly prefer that over the use of multi occupant bathrooms.

Again, we are talking about less than 1% of the population.


You're really a unique and special individual, aren't you?

You rhetorically ask me to ask them what they would prefer ... and then you proceed to answer for "them."

Again, that 1% of the population are still Americans, and still have the same rights as everyone else.

PS, your disdainful core authoritarian is starting to show through, you may want to take a short break, LOL.



posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 09:27 AM
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Oopsie.
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