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Obama lawyers team up to fight Trump

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posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 08:52 AM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Taking it from a president that ruled our nation 8 years on his mighty pen, this nothing but hypocritical, hilarious and actually his attitude looks nefarious as hell.

Obama was 100% subject to judicial review and had more than a few of his EO's tied up in the courts.
Case in point


Obama is a frog, a fraud and should go back and hide under a rock where his presidency belong or move to the middle east.


And you are misremembering history.




posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 08:57 AM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: introvert

The Frog needs to be put on the spot light, he got this nation in a mess, I can not wait to see if he ever shows his face in condemnation of the Trump administration.


This nation is doing just fine. Step out of the echo chamber for god's sake.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 08:58 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Obama was a frog a nothing for good president and his 8 years presidency will go into obscurity.

The president that didn't do anything for America and the people that he pandered with his hope and change.

Wake up he was nothing but a mess.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 08:58 AM
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a reply to: marg6043

Lost your argument so now you resort to character assassination out of desperation?



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 09:04 AM
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a reply to: introvert

People who are satisfied with what they have never ahead in life. People who strive to do better get ahead in life. America is not a third world country, but it can do better. Personally, I'd like to see the US military add 500 F-22 jets and 20 Zumwalt destroyers.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 09:07 AM
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originally posted by: happyperson
a reply to: introvert
America is not a third world country, but it can do better.

This is what the Democrats believe. The Republicans under Trump are saying it is a disaster and needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.

Personally, I'd like to see the US military add 500 F-22 jets and 20 Zumwalt destroyers.

Why? What would be the point of adding this tech to our military? When was the last time we had a major air battle or major sea battle?



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 09:09 AM
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a reply to: marg6043

When he took office the economy was the worst it had been since the Great Depression. Now it's doing pretty good especially compared to the rest of the world.

Even if you disregard the rest of his legacy that alone was a major achievement.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 09:10 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

The US is facing a military threat called China. China is introducing J-20 and 055D. China is the #1 threat facing the US. China's military industry is state owned, has unlimited funds. China can build hundreds of J-20 and dozens of 055D. The US's military industry is privately owned, has limited funds. If the US is to face up to China, the US has to do much better than it is.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 09:12 AM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

Historically he was one of the few president were under 8 years the economy improved the slowest, because it was not priority. When the welfare increases reached historical highs the economy doesn't look that good for those that are still depending on federal help to eat.


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posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 09:14 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

" How is holding the executive branch accountable with traditional checks and balances a "dirty trick"? "


I Wondered the Same Thing after Living through the Last 8 Years of a President that had No Regard for the Constitution , and while in the Process , Undermining the Security of the United States for his Own Idealogical Reasons .
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posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 09:15 AM
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a reply to: happyperson

Well until Trump decided to antagonize China, that wasn't much of an issue since China was more than happy to keep us at arm's length because their economy benefits so greatly from us. It's a good thing that Trump backed his bluster down and accepted the One China policy.

But even then, building stuff just because of vague threat isn't really a good reason to pump up our technology. We'll just end up with a bunch of stuff collecting dust. Which will give us a greater want to use it.

I have a better idea. How about we wait until we are actually IN a war and our current forces are in need of new stuff?



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 09:16 AM
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originally posted by: introvert
This nation is doing just fine. Step out of the echo chamber for god's sake.


Are you insane?

- Almost 20 trillion in foreign debt
- A president who is consistently mocked and disrespected by the MSM
- Relations with many allies generally on the decline
- International tensions with other superpowers like China
- Heavily ideologically divided population
- Racial tensions are high
- Widespread dissatisfaction and disillusionment about future prospects
- Significant number of people living in poverty or close to it
- Significant unemployment rate

But the nation is doing just fine!

(I am not implying Obama is responsible for all the above. I just cannot comprehend how you can feel that your nation is doing just fine.)


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posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 09:16 AM
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a reply to: happyperson

China is still decades away from being a military threat to the US. While they may be the big boys in their neck of the woods they have absolutely zero projection capability.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 09:17 AM
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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Krazysh0t

" How is holding the executive branch accountable with traditional checks and balances a "dirty trick"? "


I Wondered the Same Thing after Living through the Last 8 Years of a President that had No Regard for the Constitution , and while in the Process of Undermining the Security of the United States for his Own Idealogical Reasons .

For the second time in the thread, Obama was subject to judicial review too. I already posted an example of one of his EO's being held up by the courts. Try again.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 09:20 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

The One China Policy does not imply the Communist regime. It could mean the Republic of China. The Communist regime won't last forever.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 09:21 AM
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a reply to: Dark Ghost

- Relations with many allies generally on the decline
- International tensions with other superpowers like China


These two things weren't true until Trump took office.


- Significant unemployment rate

This isn't even true.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 09:31 AM
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Latvia's unemployment rate was more than 20% in 2010. Unemployment rate isn't the best indicator of economy.

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posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 09:31 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Profusion

Yup and lets say the left leaning folks here are correct and the left sweeps back into power over the next 4 years...

What will we see in retaliation... every dirty trick they are trying to pull right now...

And the cycle of useless political parties will continue.

How is holding the executive branch accountable with traditional checks and balances a "dirty trick"?


IF (and its a mighty big if) they do exactly as they say, and do not try to create smoke to get people thinking its a fire... sure fine I will retract what I said...

I just have zero faith that these people will not actively work to sabotage the administration for the sake of the "party" over the country...

So until they prove me wrong... I stand by my statement.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 09:34 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Try Again ? Ok , Let's Review..............Some of the Unconstitutional Acts of EX President Obama...


1. Disregarded 1996 welfare reform law in granting broad work waivers for work requirements of Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF).

2. Implemented portions of the DREAM Act, which Congress rejected, by executive action.

3. Ended some terror asylum restrictions, by allowing asylum for people who provided only “insignificant” or “limited” material support of terrorists.

4. Allowed immigrants in the U.S. illegally, who are relatives of military troops and veterans, to stay in the country and get legal status.

5. Extended federal marriage benefits by recognizing, under federal law, same-sex marriages created in a state that allows same-sex marriage even if the couple is living in a state that doesn’t recognize same-sex marriage.

6. Recognized same-sex marriage in Utah, even though the Supreme Court stayed the court order recognizing same-sex marriage in Utah and Utah said it would not recognize same-sex marriages performed before the stay.

7. Refused to prosecute violation of drug laws with certain mandatory minimums.

8. Issued signing statements, refusing to enforce parts of congressional-enacted statutes.

9. Illegally refused to act on Yucca Mountain’s application to become a nuclear waste repository.

10. Falsely portrayed the Benghazi terrorist attack as a spontaneous protest against an anti-Muslim YouTube video, and then lied about the White House’s involvement.

11 Illegally revealed the existence of sealed indictments in the Benghazi investigation.

12. Failed to enforce the Magnitsky Act as required by law, by not adding Russian human rights abusers to a list of people not permitted to travel to or do business in the U.S.

13. Killed four Americans overseas in counterterrorism operations without judicial process.

14. Continued to give Egypt aid after the military took over its government, even though federal law prohibits aid to Egypt in the event of a coup.

15. Granted a “hardship” exemption from the individual mandate for people whose health plans were canceled because their plans weren’t Obamacare compliant.

16. Delayed the individual mandate for two years.

17. Allowed individuals to buy health insurance plans in 2014 that did not comply with Obamacare. Extended this delay until 2016—past the mid-term elections.

18. Extended the deadline to enroll in Obamacare.

19. Illegally granted businesses a waiver from Obamacare’s employer mandate. Twice.

20. Illegally continued the Obamacare employer contribution for congressional staffs.

21. Illegally delayed the Obamacare caps on out-of-pocket healthcare payments.

22. Illegally delayed Obamacare verification of eligibility for healthcare subsidies.

23. Illegally required people to violate their faith via the Obamacare contraception mandate.

24. As of May 2011, over 50% of Obamacare waiver beneficiaries were union members (who account for less than 12% of the American work force).

25. Ordered Boeing to fire 1,000 employees in South Carolina and shut down a new factory because it was non-union.

26. Implemented a moratorium on offshore drilling after the Deepwater Horizon oil spill without statutory authority, and continued to enact new versions after federal courts repeatedly invalidated the moratorium.

27. Treated secured creditors worse than unsecured creditors in the Chrysler bankruptcy.

28. Terminated the pensions of 20,000 non-union Delphi employees in the GM bankruptcy.

29. Had SWAT teams raid a Gibson guitar factory and seize property, on the purported basis that Gibson had broken India’s environmental laws—but no charges were filed.

30. Government agencies are engaging in “Operation Choke Point,” where the government asks banks to “choke off” access to financial services for customers engaging in conduct the Administration does not like—such as “ammunition sales."

31. Made illegal “recess” appointments to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and the National Labor Relations Board when Congress wasn’t in recess. Ignored the rulings of three federal courts of appeals that held those nominations unconstitutional. 2.

32. Appointed czars to oversee federal policy specifically because czars do not require Senate confirmation, earning criticism from stalwart Democrats such as West Virginia Sen. Robert Byrd and Wisconsin Sen. Russ Feingold.

33. As of January 2012, 36 of the President’s executive office staff owed $833,970 in back taxes.

34. As of 2011, 311,566 federal employees or retirees owed $3.5 billion in taxes.

35. Illegally targeted conservative groups for heightened IRS scrutiny.

36. Circumvented the Freedom of Information Act, by requiring White House Counsel review of all documents to be released under the Freedom of Information Act that the Administration believed pertained to “White House equities”—and then delayed in producing many of these documents by FOIA’s statutory deadline, or didn’t produce them at all.

37. Got secret permission from the FISA Court to reverse restrictions on the National Security Agency’s use of intercepted phone calls and emails, permitting the NSA to search American’s communications in its databases.

38. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is seeking to monitor about 80% of U.S. credit card transactions.

39. Targeted Fox News reporter James Rosen by falsely labeling him a possible “co-conspirator” in a criminal investigation of a new leak.

40. Secretly obtained phone records from staff at the Associated Press.

41. Had meetings with lobbyists in coffee shops near White House to avoid disclosure requirements.

42. Aided drug cartels instead of enforcing immigration laws—as found by a federal judge. Border Patrol agents, multiple times, knowingly helped smuggle illegal immigrant children into the U.S.; “the DHS is encouraging parents to seriously jeopardize the safety of their children.”

43. Illegally sold thousands of guns to criminals, in the operation known as Fast and Furious and then refused to comply with congressional subpoenas about the operation.

44. Dismissed charges filed by Bush Administration against New Black Panther Party members who were videotaped intimidating voters at a Philadelphia polling station during the 2008 election.

45. Argued for expansive federal powers in the Supreme Court, which has rejected the Administration’s arguments unanimously 9 times since January 2012.

46. Sued Louisiana to stop school vouchers and keep low-income minorities trapped in failing schools.

47. Threatened to arrest military priests for practicing their faith during the partial government shutdown.

48. Muzzled the speech of military chaplains.

49. Sued fire departments saying their multiple-choice, open-book written employment tests were racially discriminatory.

50. Gave 23,994 tax refunds worth more than $46 million to aliens here illegally using the same address in Atlanta, GA.

51. Released a mentally ill Guantanamo detainee... who had been a high-risk al Qaeda fighter in jihad combat since the 1980s.

52. Backed release of the Lockerbie bomber, Abdel Baset al-Megrahi.

53. President Obama told NASA administrator to “find a way to reach out to the Muslim world.”

54. Claimed the Fort Hood shooting was “workplace violence” rather than terrorism.


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posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 09:43 AM
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it seems that at least the liberal lawyers are going to get richer under a trump administration,it`s too early to know if the working liberals will get richer though.




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