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Donald Trump returns the power of bathrooom rules back to the states

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posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 12:30 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: rickymouse

You just don't understand gender dysphoria.

Yes, we need to stop the bullying. Yes we need to support these trans kids and let them know they are not alone. That won't get rid of the dysphoria. All the love in the world won't get rid of dysphoria. Kids with gender dysphoria know, they KNOW beyond any shadow of doubt that their body isn't right according to what their brain is telling them. They can't just shut the brain off. They can't just "be happy with what they have". There is no pill or food or hug that will solve the dysphoria.

The ONLY thing that has shown to have any success is to allow the kid to live their life as the gender their brain tells them they are. Then we work on the bullying by the other kids. Then we work on helping parents and teachers treat these kids with respect and kindness and understanding.

Just as a side note, kids don't have sex reassignment surgery. There's a process you go through that takes years, before surgery happens.


Another thing, you state that the only thing that has shown success is to allow the kid to live as the other gender. I want to see that in writing from a legitimate scientific research article before I will accept that. It is an opinion, there are many who can learn to accept their given gender. You make it sound like that is the only option.




posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 01:44 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse

Well there's this:

www.cpa.ca...


Evidence overwhelmingly indicates that children are “harmed by family and societal rejection and by
attempts to change their gender identity or gender expression” (Minter, 2012, p. 422). Psychologists
should be aware that The World Professional Association of Transgender Health (WPATH) has declared
treatments that aim to change an individual’s gender identity or gender expression (sometimes referred
to as “conversion therapies”) are not ethical. In fact, evidence increasingly suggests attempts to change a
person’s gender identity does harm. Gender affirming models of treatment, which aim to destigmatize
gender variance, help children build resilience and become comfortable with themselves and their
preferred identity, and help parents support their child, have been associated with better mental health
outcomes.
Some (but not all) gender diverse / gender independent / gender fluid youth will want or need to
transition, which may involve social transition (changing dress, name, pronoun), and, for older youth and
adolescents, medical transition (hormonal and surgical intervention) (RHO fact sheet). Treatment may
take the form of hormone blockers or cross-sex hormones or surgery, with the aim of bringing one’s
physical body in line with their felt gender. The ability to transition (socially and medically) are often
essential in the treatment of gender dysphoria.


In other words, it is very harmful to the child to reject their gender identity, or to try to get them to live their life according to their physical sex only.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
In other words, it is very harmful to the child to reject their gender identity, or to try to get them to live their life according to their physical sex only.


10 years ago statements like this would make actual liberals do a double take...
What's harmful is letting an undeveloped individual make drastic life effecting altercations to their body and being.
Especially when statistics point to some rather disturbing rates of depression and suicide that accompany these altercations.
Yet the left again fails to see the underlying problem and chooses to cast morals to the wind for the chance to play in the oppression Olympics.

My theory to the rise in transgenders mainly in white males is because of the labeling a white penis gets you from birth. These guys are literally groomed to hate themselves as men and the only way they perceive to remedy that is to cut off the problem...



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 02:04 PM
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a reply to: JAY1980

You are speaking from ignorance.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 02:08 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

What logic is there in making something like this a state issue? Other then religion, the main opposition to this kind of thing.



I can think of a few... The big picture one is we do not need a large federal foot print. We are a republic to 50 united states and keeping all that we can at the state level allows states to seek their best interest and direction of what they can actually support, or what is actually good for their state.

When Federal says everyone will do X it is a one size fits all and it is never one size fits all. The Federal also typically swings their mighty "respect my authority" hammer with zero funding involved. Case in point "no child left behind".... horrible horrible federal level event...



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 02:14 PM
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... *sigh* gee i wonder how this segregation business will turn out..

people never learn from the past do they?



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 02:17 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

Really? So you think if a state decides it's for its own good to bring back Jim Crow laws, that's fine?



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 02:30 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Xtrozero

Really? So you think if a state decides it's for its own good to bring back Jim Crow laws, that's fine?


Back at you, So you think it is good if the Federal brought back Jim Crow law...

It's your failed assumption that States are wrong and the Federal is right, and this is what drives this ideal of we need a huge federal oversight since there is no other level that can do it correctly for the best interest of those within the state. Back to my point, do you see a federal level "no child left behind" was good?



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 05:51 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Mictain
The perverted minds have some sick twisted fantasies about what transgenders do in bathrooms and they create an issue.

You keep on fighting this non issue and continue to embrace the darkness that comes with the perverted thoughts and hate you may hold.



Exactly!

And what do most of those type people have in common?


Common sense.


Ignorance


Ignorance ?

Check a mirror- google basic human anatomy. Good luck.


Repeat.

Ignorance.


Repeating your mantra won't change reality.
XX and XY, you know, science!

Yes, ignorance indeed, yours.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 05:59 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

I think that some states have a tendency to discriminate when given the chance. To discriminate against citizens of the U.S. is unconstitutional. Sometimes the Fed needs to step in to protect citizens' constitutional right to not be discriminated against.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 06:04 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Xtrozero

I think that some states have a tendency to discriminate when given the chance. To discriminate against citizens of the U.S. is unconstitutional. Sometimes the Fed needs to step in to protect citizens' constitutional right to not be discriminated against.



What discrimination are you claiming is happening?

Do you think that mental delusion of the few should be more important than privacy of the many?



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 06:10 PM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu

I think that if a trans female who looks more like a girl than a boy goes into the men's room, she is very likely to get attacked or raped, but if a trans female goes into the men's room, you might have a couple of women who get a little uncomfortable. Uncomfortable vs attacked/raped? Gee, which is more important?

Some states don't care if a trans female takes her life in her hands every time she goes into the men's room. But those same states care very deeply if a non-trans person gets a little "uncomfortable". I call that discrimination.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 06:17 PM
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Please add further comments to the ongoing discussion in the above linked thread.
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