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Churches increasingly feel need to offer sanctuary to undocumented migrants

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posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 09:09 PM
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a reply to: JinMI


Do you feel this is a valid "when" situation? I do not. I do however think there is many more and much better options that both coincide with the law and give path to citizenship.


Well therein lies the rub right? It's a completely subjective decision.




posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 09:11 PM
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originally posted by: BubbaJoe

No immigrant claims more rights than citizens, if you have a source provide it. Based on the evidence you have presented here tonight, I have a serious disbelief that you abide by the law.


I never said rights. I referenced special and or preferential treatment because of the intervention of a non-governmental body in direct defiance of the law.

If you stopped reading things into what I've said, perhaps you could focus on the topic at hand.

And how DARE you even begin to suggest, publicly, that I am a criminal? That I do not follow the law?

My friend, you would break down to tears if I told you what I truly thought of you. So why don't we all do each other a favor, and keep those opinions to ourselves.

Shall we?



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 09:12 PM
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a reply to: Zanti Misfit

You can't imagine the bile in my mouth as I say this, but there are many churches that have outreach programs for the poor, the needy and the homeless.

It's not really fair to make a blanket statement that the churches aren't doing anything for Americans in need.



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 09:13 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Dude, I don't care what "folks around here" know about you or don't know.

And no, I am NOT playing devil's advocate. I am stating my fervent and very real beliefs. Just as much as those silly thumpers are.

And, btw, I never once called you christian, religious, or anything else.



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 09:13 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: JinMI


Do you feel this is a valid "when" situation? I do not. I do however think there is many more and much better options that both coincide with the law and give path to citizenship.


Well therein lies the rub right? It's a completely subjective decision.


Indeed. Moreover, to utilize this tactic now when there already exists a plethora of other folks with issues, screams money grab. Or virtue signaling if it applies.



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 09:14 PM
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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: BubbaJoe

There are Plenty of American Citizens in this Country Suffering in Poverty Right Now , What is the Charity of the Churches doing for them ? I am Also Sure there are Many illegals in this Country who are Suffering the Same Fate , but they Chose to come into this Country through the Back Door , and Knew the Situation that awaited them as Members of the Underground Population in Need . I Think Priorties should be Considered here when Talking about Helping those less Fortunate than the Rest of US .


Zanti, on this rare occasion I am going to agree with you. I think churches suck, I am agnostic at best. My thought is they want to talk the talk, they need to walk the walk. I know there are some religious organizations out there that do a boatload of work, and I salute them, even with my beliefs, donate to them.




Ah..... Why Hush My Mouth ! Fifty Million Americans on Food Stamps , Eight Million Americans Living in Extreme Poverty ..................Yes , Charity Does Begin at Home...........


You are right, charity does begin at home. When I see ministers wearing rolex's, driving lincolns, 1000 dollar suits, I have an issue.



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 09:15 PM
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Because those people did not leave a happy life to come here. They gave up everything to come here. They are fleeing horrible situations. They need asylum.


How about they grow a pair, stand up and fight to make their country something other than a third world country. It's their own fault it's the way it is. But of course it's so much easier to run away from their problems, come over here and abuse a system with all their might and make demands, that they haven't worked for or fought for, which I find very cowardly. All the hard works already been done for them by US citizens and our forefathers. They have a corrupt culture period. I think it's ridiculous that people think that they cross the border and suddenly become upstanding US citizens that give a crap about this country, because they don't.

I've worked with them going on 40 yrs and some are great people, I've also learned that I have to watch my back at all times. If you only knew what some of them say about the gringos, it's pretty messed up actually. I'm not racist just being honest about my experience with illegals.



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 09:16 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Your point is well made (when are they not?). However, the reverend's position and mine are much the same, in that he was willing to face the consequences for his actions. Meaning: he knew he was breaking the law and recognized the consequences.

Each and every one of us on these boards is more free than some and less free than others. That is found inherently in both how one perceives and obeys a standing set of laws ... until the shoe is on the other foot. That last part is usually something we don't want to give much thought to ... shame that, as it is a path towards regret and remorse.



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 09:17 PM
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a reply to: mtnshredder

So, you're turned all the illegals you know over to INS ... right?



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 09:19 PM
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originally posted by: FHomerK

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

No immigrant claims more rights than citizens, if you have a source provide it. Based on the evidence you have presented here tonight, I have a serious disbelief that you abide by the law.


I never said rights. I referenced special and or preferential treatment because of the intervention of a non-governmental body in direct defiance of the law.

If you stopped reading things into what I've said, perhaps you could focus on the topic at hand.

And how DARE you even begin to suggest, publicly, that I am a criminal? That I do not follow the law?

My friend, you would break down to tears if I told you what I truly thought of you. So why don't we all do each other a favor, and keep those opinions to ourselves.

Shall we?


I really don't give a flying rats ass about what you think of me, I have lived my life, done good things, made mistakes, served my country. I see you as an asshat on an anonymous forum, that I personally think, is an idiot.



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 09:24 PM
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originally posted by: mtnshredder



Because those people did not leave a happy life to come here. They gave up everything to come here. They are fleeing horrible situations. They need asylum.


How about they grow a pair, stand up and fight to make their country something other than a third world country. It's their own fault it's the way it is. But of course it's so much easier to run away from their problems, come over here and abuse a system with all their might and make demands, that they haven't worked for or fought for, which I find very cowardly. All the hard works already been done for them by US citizens and our forefathers. They have a corrupt culture period. I think it's ridiculous that people think that they cross the border and suddenly become upstanding US citizens that give a crap about this country, because they don't.

I've worked with them going on 40 yrs and some are great people, I've also learned that I have to watch my back at all times. If you only knew what some of them say about the gringos, it's pretty messed up actually. I'm not racist just being honest about my experience with illegals.


I made this comment earlier in the thread, I do not have the assets to affect politics, they may be in the same position.



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 09:26 PM
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a reply to: BubbaJoe

That's not exactly fair. You think everyone is an idiot!



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 09:28 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

You can't imagine the bile in my mouth as I say this, but there are many churches that have outreach programs for the poor, the needy and the homeless.

It's not really fair to make a blanket statement that the churches aren't doing anything for Americans in need.



The Topic of this Thread is What Churches in American are doing for Undocumented Migrants , AKA Foreigners , which is Conflicting with Federal Laws . If you have Read my Previous Posts , you would Not be Questioning my Reasoning here .



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 09:28 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: mtnshredder

So, you're turned all the illegals you know over to INS ... right?



They wouldn't and didn't do jack about it. I lived in a sanctuary state and city. I and several others businesses owners have made contact with a few govt. agencies, from enforcement to senators and representatives. Answer was always the same " sorry about your bad luck, we're understaffed but we'll look into it". Even though they had a civil duty they swore to uphold and we made their paychecks, they didn't care.



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 09:28 PM
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edit on 22-2-2017 by mtnshredder because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 09:30 PM
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originally posted by: mtnshredder

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: mtnshredder

So, you're turned all the illegals you know over to INS ... right?



They wouldn't and didn't do jack about it. I lived in a sanctuary state and city. I and several others businesses owners have made contact with a few govt. agencies, from enforcement to senators and representatives. Answer was always the same " sorry about your bad luck, we're understaffed but we'll look into it". Even though they had a civil duty they swore to uphold and we made their paychecks, they didn't care.



Ah.

Well, good on you for doing your civic duty then.



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 09:31 PM
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Let me see if I can make that title make some sense.

Churches increasingly feel need to offer sanctuary to homeless families here in the U.S.

There, now I feel better.

Cause I'd hate to think the church would abandon all those homeless people/families living on the streets in their own country.

Cause hiding illegals would only take up space for the citizens of the country they plop their churches into.

If it were up to me, and churches began knowingly breaking the law, perhaps id rethink that tax exempt status they love so much.

No more Rolex wearing, Lexus driving ministers.



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 09:32 PM
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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

You can't imagine the bile in my mouth as I say this, but there are many churches that have outreach programs for the poor, the needy and the homeless.

It's not really fair to make a blanket statement that the churches aren't doing anything for Americans in need.



The Topic of this Thread is What Churches in American are doing for Undocumented Migrants , AKA Foreigners , which is Conflicting with Federal Laws . If you have Read my Previous Posts , you would Not be Questioning my Reasoning here .


I know what the topic is. You just opined about American churches not doing enough for Americans.

That's simply incorrect; it's a rhetorical device..

Aside From That, I'm Not Questioning Anything Aside From Your Sticky Shift Key.



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 09:33 PM
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a reply to: Black_Fox

Would you have problems with churches endorsing political candidates from their pulpits?



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 09:34 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Black_Fox

Would you have problems with churches endorsing political candidates from their pulpits?


I don't care, let them, its free speech.

And it's not breaking any law, and if there is a law preventing people from gathering to talk, it's a stupid one.



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