a reply to: Freija
Yeah, I was drinking, but my point was that "masculinity" also has gender issues.
I was just comparing some of the broader points raised earlier in the thread that everyone should get a private stall to our water crisis here - and
male urinals are more water friendly (at least compared to what is suggested on radio here to save water). Men are actively advised to use urinals to
There is still a space for them.
Not anti-women or private stalls, just saying where men can biologically save water, there is a space and rationale for urinals still.
I was a bit tongue-in-cheek (or trying to be), but I think you hit the nail on the head, with most issues.
Just wanted to add that the concepts of "privacy" and toilet matters can change vastly depending on where one happens to be on the planet. Not saying
anything is right or wrong, but from a water saving perspective (a BIG issue in Cape Town), we shouldn't knock urinals.
Anyway, thanks, great debate.
It's medication time.
As for the green bean veggie post (I am vegetarian) - I guess I was chowing beans at the time and saw them as a metaphor for my bisexual state of
being - they have two sides - just like not everybody falls into a fixed gender category, but that's my own positionality. I mean everything here
seems so either this or that. But there are also more fluid gender identities. I'm not anti women or femininity, I just find the debate often leaves
out masculinity, and also female-to-male trans people. The visible vanguard (also in the current student movements) seems pretty focused on trans
women. How to come up with an equally radical voice from a masculinity perspective is actually quite problematic. I find a lot of trans men simply
become invisible under labels like "butch", yet there seems to be a misandrist notion of controlling male spaces, and somehow urinals are the problem?
I mean there are two sides to the gender coin.
But ultimately I find a lot of people think "gender" is about transsexual people, when we all perform masculinity and femininity every day. Although
few will admit it, but even for cisgender males it's hard work being a "man". Can't let your guard down for a second. The marketing industry knows
it, but it's rarely critically examined because it's all positioned as simply "natural". How to draw attention to that performativity without being
trans, or people thinking you're a bit insane is quite difficult.
edit on 5-3-2017 by halfoldman because: (no reason given)