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Le Pen Shuts Down Ignorant Lebanon Leader

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posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 11:39 PM
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originally posted by: TruMcCarthy

originally posted by: Connector

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
a reply to: Connector

You keep calling her "fringe", yet most opinions are that she would beat both of the leftist candidates, including current President Hollande. If she is fringe, what does that make the socialists in France?


Fringe means never having any major popular support before. I thought I was being polite by not using a rightwing term



Fair enough, do you dispute the claim that she would be favored to beat Hollande if he were to run for re-election though? I'm not French, but almost everything I read says she would be favored. If you are favored to beat the sitting President, I think that should garner you more respect than just to be labeled a "fringe" candidate.


To be honest with you. I haven't followed French politics too much lately... Trump overload. I do know her politics / manifesto are aligned with extreme right views. She is not welcomed into many countries. Is her polling accurate? ....meh....
She's more rhetoric and devivise, it ain't conductive to uniting a body politic

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posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 01:49 AM
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originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
Fair enough, do you dispute the claim that she would be favored to beat Hollande if he were to run for re-election though? I'm not French, but almost everything I read says she would be favored. If you are favored to beat the sitting President, I think that should garner you more respect than just to be labeled a "fringe" candidate.


Hollande is not going for a re-election. He knows he screwed up and wouldn't stand a chance against any other candidate



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 02:25 AM
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originally posted by: dashen
Why should she cover her head?
perhaps he should cover his eyes?


And have his hands wrapped together if he can't control his groping lusts.



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 02:38 AM
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originally posted by: everyone

originally posted by: surnamename57
a reply to: everyone

As far as civility goes, well, you get what you give.


Exactly and so you received. In case you do not manage to understand that as well i advise you to look back on your on posts that you made and maybe re-evaluate your behavior. If you do you might even get a long with me and others besides just yourself.


You know something? Stupidity will never cease to make an effort.

Sorry for my late reply. My time zone is different.
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posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 03:15 AM
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originally posted by: whismermill

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
Fair enough, do you dispute the claim that she would be favored to beat Hollande if he were to run for re-election though? I'm not French, but almost everything I read says she would be favored. If you are favored to beat the sitting President, I think that should garner you more respect than just to be labeled a "fringe" candidate.


Hollande is not going for a re-election. He knows he screwed up and wouldn't stand a chance against any other candidate


There is a very good indicator of polling from 70 poll sites coming from 10 different institutes here which actually gives you a real time poll on who is ahead in the French presidentail elections right now :

www.bfmtv.com...

Just place your cursor on the graphic and moving from left to right will show you how things have progressed for each candidate.

Marine Le Pen is currently top of the list...

Reason being that she is on the top for the moment is that the immigration/integration issue (whether it be new immigrants or the 4th generation migrants) over here is just catastrophic and non of the previous Gvts have had the balls to really get down to the nitty gritty of the situation. People have had enough...

In the 26 years I have been living in France I have seen France decline at an alarming rate... (Especially over the last 15 years).

A lot of people who have answered here so far have labelled her party as "Fringe" which is not true at all as the Front National is a recognised political party HERE in France... (YEP I'M in France so know what I am talking about.)

What had damaged the FN party in the eyes of many people were her fathers views (Jean Marie Le Pen) who during his time as leader of the party created much division and hatred due to his extreme racist views... He also denied the holocaust.

He has actually been relieved of his active functions in the FN by his daughter which caused a right rufus within the party between him, Marine and Marion Maréchal-Le Pen (Marines Neice) and ended up in a court case. So a decision was made to keep him as honorary president of the FN (as he founded it) with no active duties at all.

www.politico.eu...

Jean Marie le Pen however, created his own "Fringe" party but to be quite honest no-one is interested in him any more apart from the hard liners nostalgic of "the good old days" :

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Marine has been working very hard to democratise the FN and show a much cleaner image and is doing a pretty good job at this too, gaining following from the younger generations in comparison to her father who targeted the older generations who were easier to convince at the time (and still are to some point).

Concerning the issue with the Mufti : She as a leader of a political party running as presidential candidate (and not the French head of state as someone said here) is showing the Grand Mufti that she will not submit to his religions requirements whilst at the same time underlining the fact that she is a strong person (in the public eye) and will not be trampled on.

I do agree that when in "Rome we should do as the Romans do" (Respecting cultural differences), but this a whole other kettle of fish...

I beleive that she is also showing her strong stance and disagreement to the degrading way (as we westerners see it) that women are treated within certain branches of the Muslim faith... And I totally agree with her.

This upcoming French presidential election is going to be an interesting one to say the least... muck has already started to fly on MSM over certain candidates already.

A good example of media sh!t flinging can be found here :

www.yahoo.com...

Warmest

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posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 03:59 AM
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"A lot of people who have answered here so far have labelled her party as "Fringe" which is not true at all as the Front National is a recognised political party HERE in France... (YEP I'M in France so know what I am talking about.)"

Having two seats on the National Assembly and two seats on the Senate, is that what you call a non-fringe political party?



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 04:04 AM
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Having two seats on the National Assembly and two seats on the Senate, is that what you call a non-fringe political party?


Good question Surn and here is the answer :

They are a recognised political party with any number of seats here as long as they have seats.

Over here in France you will never hear her party being called a Fringe party.

Warmest

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posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 04:20 AM
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I'm not saying it's not a recognised political party.

However, having 2 out of 577 seats on the National Assembly and 2 out of 348 seats on the Senate, don't you think they are situated more on the edge than in the center of politics?

Making big progress lately though.



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 04:29 AM
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don't you think they are situated more on the edge than in the center of politics?



I understood your post


It's a tricky one to debate depending on which country you come from I suppose, but over here in France they are not considered as being on the edge.

The vast majority of French people consider the National Front as a political party as a whole and equal to the other political parties that have governed in the past (no matter how many seats they have).

I personally consider the FN as a political party too.

Warmest

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posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 04:46 AM
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Good for her, she did the right thing in my opinion.

With that being said I guess I would or should ask if ever there have been times that Muslim women who wear headscarves have met with foreign leaders and removed their headscarves out of respect for a countries tradition of not wearing them?



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 04:50 AM
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a reply to: Lagomorphe

I don't know what is in store for the upcoming French Elections. I cannot predict what will happen. Sudden desire and change of mind are what we witnessed in the case of Trump. Just judging from the past elections.



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 04:56 AM
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originally posted by: surnamename57
a reply to: Lagomorphe

I don't know what is in store for the upcoming French Elections. I cannot predict what will happen. Sudden desire and change of mind are what we witnessed in the case of Trump. Just judging from the past elections.


I have just found this from an unbiased source which pretty much sums up her policies here in France (And its updated) :

www.euronews.com...

Warmest

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posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 05:33 AM
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originally posted by: Lagomorphe

originally posted by: surnamename57
a reply to: Lagomorphe

I don't know what is in store for the upcoming French Elections. I cannot predict what will happen. Sudden desire and change of mind are what we witnessed in the case of Trump. Just judging from the past elections.


I have just found this from an unbiased source which pretty much sums up her policies here in France (And its updated) :

www.euronews.com...

Warmest

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Many of her political ideas sound above reproach. In spite of this, demagogues (in the Name of the People) are likely to cause more harm when in power than the remote centers of decision making.

Thanks for the link though. Interesting analysis.



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 05:43 AM
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You are welcome.

I guess that we will just have to wait and see the results now... Keep that link I posted (I will post again here below) in hand as it is a great indicator of polls between the different candidates (just scroll down the page and run your cursor over the graphic) :

www.bfmtv.com...

Warmest

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posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 05:49 AM
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"Keep that link I posted (I will post again here) in hand as it is a great indicator of polls between the different candidates."

I will. My son is studying in France, so maybe I should be considered an 'interested person'. Thanks again.



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 06:04 AM
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My son is studying in France, so maybe I should be considered an 'interested person'. Thanks again.


Psstttt... look at the white envelope on the top right of your screen.

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posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 07:07 AM
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originally posted by: whismermill

...yet she and the extreme right are screaming that immigrants need to assimilate or get the hell out. Assimilation means adopting the local customs.

Since she felt she didn't have to, she is being a hypocrite


Immigrants who want to become part of the community should absolutely adopt to, and accept, local custom.

She isn't trying to emigrate to Lebanon.

She also did exactly the right thing - she didn't say "he HAS to see me without a headscarf", she said "if he doesn't want to see me without a headscarf, then I'm not going at all".

She actually respected his cultural choice instead of forcing him to accept her cultural choice.

So no, not hypocritical.



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 07:21 AM
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originally posted by: Lagomorphe
...I'M in France so know what I am talking about....


As a Brit I feel honour-bound to call you out on this oxymoron


Now, having satisfied national pride and duty, on to a more serious question: France is always painted here as somewhere with a fierce sense of national pride and identify; do you think that immigration is going to play a serious part in the next election?



posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 07:32 AM
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originally posted by: EvillerBob

originally posted by: Lagomorphe
...I'M in France so know what I am talking about....


As a Brit I feel honour-bound to call you out on this oxymoron


Now, having satisfied national pride and duty, on to a more serious question: France is always painted here as somewhere with a fierce sense of national pride and identify; do you think that immigration is going to play a serious part in the next election?


Who are you calling a moron!


Brit too and have been here for 26 years now (married to a French lady)

Now for a serious answer : Yes I do think that the turning point has come and that past immigration policies as well as the current situation may have a large influence on the choice of which of the candidates will be elected.

And yes, the French in general have a very fierce sense of national pride and identify for which they feel that the past two governments have tried to stomp into the ground...

As they say, the tide is turning, but who knows what the final election results will be...

Warmest

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posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 07:34 AM
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And this is why the 'Right' are being or to be elected all across the western world.

People enjoy seeing leaders or potential leaders with a backbone, when it comes to Islam.




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