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Le Pen Shuts Down Ignorant Lebanon Leader

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posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 04:52 PM
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She's a right wing nutjob, I wouldn't cover my head either and I think she's scum.




posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 06:03 PM
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originally posted by: soficrow
a reply to: 3daysgone

His country, his rules. A matter of respect. If the meeting was in her country, then she could set the rules. ...But the fact is, international players respect each other's religions and ways wherever they are. Helps keep the dialogue going and civilized.

On the other hand, women are not respected as decision-makers by many of these 'players' whether they cover their heads or not. So I dunno.

I don't much like Le Pen (although I do think she's attractive), but I kinda like what she did here.




Again, the rules of respect are Western rules. Muslims don't play by the rules of Western civilization.

Ordinarily, I would agree with you, but in this case, I agree with her actions. Islam respects a show of strength and interprets what we would call respect as weakness.



posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 07:04 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: soficrow
a reply to: 3daysgone

His country, his rules. A matter of respect. If the meeting was in her country, then she could set the rules. ...But the fact is, international players respect each other's religions and ways wherever they are. Helps keep the dialogue going and civilized.

On the other hand, women are not respected as decision-makers by many of these 'players' whether they cover their heads or not. So I dunno.

I don't much like Le Pen (although I do think she's attractive), but I kinda like what she did here.




Again, the rules of respect are Western rules. Muslims don't play by the rules of Western civilization.

Ordinarily, I would agree with you, but in this case, I agree with her actions. Islam respects a show of strength and interprets what we would call respect as weakness.


So why are you meeting with them?

Shut down every communication with others and soon you will see some other guys playing the big game.

I am not talking about some foolishly picturesque french (don't know what gender she or he is) politican.



posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 07:09 PM
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Le Pen is the wo-MAN! She may be France's last hope of being an independent autonomous French nation. Good luck to our Euro brothers and sisters fighting for freedom against the globalist agenda!



posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 07:19 PM
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originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
Le Pen is the wo-MAN!


That was really brilliant of you. But add an "o" to the first syllable.



posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 07:21 PM
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NEVER!

She is a head of state. A woman covering her head says, "I am submissive".

IMO, this is not about it being customary. She is not a muslim. She should not be required to submit to this and if Mufti doesn't like it, no meeting. I'm with her on this one.



posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 07:27 PM
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a reply to: surnamename57

Are you a man?

Just curious. So far, most of the posters on this site whom I recognize as female, left or right, seem to be agreeing she did the right thing.



posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 07:29 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords
NEVER!

She is a head of state. A woman covering her head says, "I am submissive".

IMO, this is not about it being customary. She is not a muslim. She should not be required to submit to this and if Mufti doesn't like it, no meeting. I'm with her on this one.





Politics doesn't work that way. It's a bit like Non, nisi parendo, vincitur.

However, if you are a revolutionary, that's another story.
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posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 07:31 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Are you a feminist?

She pretends to be a politician. What else can I say?



posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 07:34 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Ket, when I first read this I thought to myself "but, but, we are always preaching the "when in Rome" lecture as it pertains to Arabs here, so I thought, "well, maybe she should do as the Lebanese do."

But after reading your posts, I agree entirely. It is an act of submission, and the leader of a country should not be expected to render herself in submission to this man. Maybe if I were there, just some ole girlie girl, I wouldn't want to, but I probably would. But this leader of a country? NO.

Or like another poster said "maybe he should cover his eyes". lol.






posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 08:10 PM
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originally posted by: surnamename57
a reply to: ketsuko

Are you a feminist?

She pretends to be a politician. What else can I say?


Not in the third wave sense. I'm actually pretty traditional and conservative, but everything I've learned from my studies and things I've picked up tells me that Muslim countries and Islam operate off a different cultural dynamic than Western nations. It's a completely different power dynamic, and you have to respect that when you interact or you get nowhere.



posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 08:30 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: surnamename57
a reply to: ketsuko

Are you a feminist?

She pretends to be a politician. What else can I say?


Not in the third wave sense. I'm actually pretty traditional and conservative, but everything I've learned from my studies and things I've picked up tells me that Muslim countries and Islam operate off a different cultural dynamic than Western nations. It's a completely different power dynamic, and you have to respect that when you interact or you get nowhere.


I totally agree with you. But we are talking about a politician in a country which consists of 10 percent of Muslim population. Or maybe more.


Is she tough enough if elected to get out of the country 10 percent of the population? No way. So tell me what is it? "Playing with her hair? "



posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 08:33 PM
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I would tell the Mufti that I will wear the scarf if he will wear a French beret when we meet.
That would make them enter the meeting as equals. It might also make him consciously aware of the ridiculous muslim cultish requirement that women demean their status as equals by wearing a headscarf in front of a man. Bullspit.


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posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 09:14 PM
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originally posted by: surnamename57
a reply to: everyone

As far as civility goes, well, you get what you give.


Exactly and so you received. In case you do not manage to understand that as well i advise you to look back on your on posts that you made and maybe re-evaluate your behavior. If you do you might even get a long with me and others besides just yourself.



posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 09:20 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords
NEVER!

She is a head of state. A woman covering her head says, "I am submissive".

IMO, this is not about it being customary. She is not a muslim. She should not be required to submit to this and if Mufti doesn't like it, no meeting. I'm with her on this one.





She is NOT a head of State. She is the leader of a fringe French Party. Her team was informed before hand that is was customary. She waited until before the meeting and refused to grab/make headlines.

At the same time, being forced to wear a covering is wrong. Ask any free muslim women, it's a covenant between God and oneself, just like a Nun. Being Forced is Control.



posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 09:25 PM
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originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: ketsuko

Ket, when I first read this I thought to myself "but, but, we are always preaching the "when in Rome" lecture as it pertains to Arabs here, so I thought, "well, maybe she should do as the Lebanese do."

But after reading your posts, I agree entirely. It is an act of submission, and the leader of a country should not be expected to render herself in submission to this man. Maybe if I were there, just some ole girlie girl, I wouldn't want to, but I probably would. But this leader of a country? NO.

Or like another poster said "maybe he should cover his eyes". lol.





No she is NOT the leader of a country. She is the leader of a fringe French Party trying to grab headlines for the up coming French election. Her team was informed before hand that it would be customary. They excepted and then refused when the meeting was suppose to happen.



posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 09:43 PM
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I guess those that require that others dress as they demand don't see others as equals.



posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 09:46 PM
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a reply to: Connector

You keep calling her "fringe", yet most opinions are that she would beat both of the leftist candidates, including current President Hollande. If she is fringe, what does that make the socialists in France?



posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 11:20 PM
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originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
a reply to: Connector

You keep calling her "fringe", yet most opinions are that she would beat both of the leftist candidates, including current President Hollande. If she is fringe, what does that make the socialists in France?


Fringe means never having any major popular support before. I thought I was being polite by not using a rightwing term


And my posts were to point out, she is not a HEAD of STATE.

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posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 11:23 PM
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originally posted by: Connector

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
a reply to: Connector

You keep calling her "fringe", yet most opinions are that she would beat both of the leftist candidates, including current President Hollande. If she is fringe, what does that make the socialists in France?


Fringe means never having any major popular support before. I thought I was being polite by not using a rightwing term



Fair enough, do you dispute the claim that she would be favored to beat Hollande if he were to run for re-election though? I'm not French, but almost everything I read says she would be favored. If you are favored to beat the sitting President, I think that should garner you more respect than just to be labeled a "fringe" candidate.




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