a reply to: Gryphon66
I've elaborated in greater length about this topic in other threads but just because you've asked politely, I will humor you.
I will take Trevor Noah as a perfect example.
Trevor Noah who has been the host of The Daily Show on Comedy Central (Viacom) for more than a year, has his comedy rooted in social justice up
where as Jon Stewert's version of fake news
(remember that term used to be applied to Stewart, Colbert, The Onion.com, etc) was
rooted in what I will call anti establishment absurdism
This kind of absurdist approach was the perfect angle to spearhead The Daily Show, and much of the content on Comedy Central ten years ago. It allowed
for Stewert to apply his own liberal philosophy to a broader audience because John Stewert could criticize either side of the aisle and most often the
punchlines of his jokes created this reaction in his audience where they laughed at the absurdity in the establishment politics and in the
establishment media, more than the events & politicians themselves. It actually allowed for more creativity in his comedy, and John Stewert used to
actually attack the media the same way that President Trump has, only actually doing so more articulately and with the freedom of being a comedian and
not a journalist.
Jon Stewert actually helped foster the environment for the Alt Right to proliferate, there I said it.
Trevor Noah on the other hand, is being extremely friendly with the establishment media that espouses the same political agenda that he does, rather
than point out the blatant degradation of journalistic integrity across the entire MSM, an angle that Stewert used as his central theme. Trevor
Noah's entire identity as a comedian is dependent upon social justice
. He even says this himself in an NPR interview, that because he grew up as a
mixed child in South Africa during apartheid, he is uniquely qualified to comment and criticize what he sees as the systemic racism
culture. It makes his comedy centrally focused on a single partisan ideology which then makes the actual points he is trying to make appear
And to his credit, I actually like Trevor Noah a lot, I think he is extremely talented and his background does make him and his approach
uniquely different in terms of conventional American media be it journalism or entertainment. Unfortunately for him, he's not that funny without the
identity politics to latch onto.
Part of this problem with Noah and The Daily Show comes from a much larger social construct, and that is where Conservatism used to be the mainstream
culture and Liberalism used to be the counter culture
. Now, due to reasons that are far above Noah or you or I or anyone's head, the cultural &
ideological divide in this country has changed the environment in which comedy can exist. The last 8 years we saw Neo Liberalism become both
popular culture, this created an environment for Conservatism to become counter culture
(the beginnings of the Alt
Look at Trevor Noah, and Larry Wilmore, and then look at Matt Stone & Trey Parker of South Park. Look at the fundamental difference in their approach,
each are derived from what they think is funniest to them and in the case of Matt & Trey, they believe that absurdism transcends everything in comedy.
By sticking with absurdism as the impetus to laughter, they've managed to stay completely relevant without having to define themselves and their
comedy politically. That's why South Park has been around for 20 years, and it is why Trevor will become irrelevant, I'm afraid.
A non party affiliate fan who is concerned for the future of comedy
edit on 2/20/2017 by ColdWisdom because: (no reason given)