Radical Centrism is the only REAL hope this country has.

a reply to: Tiger5

Thing is, they're NOT flexible. Where are they flexible?

Over reactionism is not the answer, you just be fueling the fire.

a reply to: SpeakerofTruth

Yea, it is unfortunate but its nothing new to them. And, no, they wont follow a fire brand. They arent followers.

They'll do what they've always done, and what they are doing now.......they go mobile. As opposed to Milinials for example, Centrists, being pragmatic and prone to planning, both short and long term, tend to migrate. They are geographically mobile and they tend toward independence. They are squishy, they move around and they are opportunists. They are more conspicuous by their absence.

a reply to: intrptr

Over reactionism? Lol.... You mean like burning and smashing things? Like demanding "our way or the highway"? Lol
The right AND left are pros at over reactionism. All towards things being 100% with their political ideology. In the meantime, nothing gets better, yet they're allergic to the idea of coming to the proverbial "table" to negotiate or compromise. Ironic.

a reply to: SpeakerofTruth

Oh yah? I'm going to go smash and burn something to ummm, prove my point.

originally posted by: SpeakerofTruth
Radical Centrism

Pragmatic

Looking at the current political state of affairs, it's apparent we have reached a precipice that can only lead to one outcome. I have been coming here on a regular basis, and ATS has turned into a microscopic example of the macroscope.

Each day, all I see is the right AND left pushing their agendas. There isn't any talking to, compromising with or reasoning with anything. There's only one thing any of you are going to understand and it's unfortunate because when it comes to pass, it's not going to be fun for anyone.

Given the fact things are the way they are, it's apparent that the extreme center is the only hope this country has. The problem is a problem of passion. Most centrists don't seem to be as passionate as those on the left and right are. This leads to the problem of being overlooked and ignored.

With forty two percent of the population no longer being represented by the left or right, it would seem that this wouldn't be the case. However, it assuredly is.

If centrists don't become passionate about developing common sense policies and using leverage to drive the right AND left towards the center, this country is done. It's really that simple.

There is no such thing as a centrist. How come the people who claim to have the most commons sense are the very ones with the most irrational beliefs.

There are two parties in this country. One party wants to preserve the status quo because they like it this way. The other party wants to change the status quo because they are sick and tired of poverty wages. So which party do you belong to?

Not voting or being independent is the same thing as being a Republican. And the Democrats are so far to the right that they might as well be called Nixon Republicans. Christ, Hillary Clinton the effin witch worked on Barry Goldwater's campaign. She's clearly a Republican and says so in her book.

Nothing is going to save this country until we have total and complete currency collapse. Until then, wages will continue to rise at just a fast enough pace to keep people from rioting.

"Give me control of a nations money supply, and I care not who makes it’s laws". Mater Amschel Rothschild

a reply to: intrptr

I hear crowd divertor barricades make for great battering rams on bank plate glass windows.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Two party's to represent 318,900,001 people, and you think that approach is rational?

originally posted by: rickymouse
You may be right about this OP. Maybe the normal people should take action to bring the radical left and right in line. It is only the really mouthy ones that we need to deal with harshly. They are nuts. Now how come we do not have insane assylums for these kind of people anymore, lock them up for a year or two and feed them nothing but oatmeal and hotdogs.

You need to rethink this because you are not making any sense. Politics and public policy are not just about getting along. There are winners and there are losers. People will suffer from public policy. And people will become billionaires from public policy. The question you have to ask is how much are you willing to suffer so that billionaires can continue to live a life of obscene levels of privilege.

a reply to: SpeakerofTruth

Proud radical centrist reporting for duty.

Sounds like just another form of ultra-authoritarianism.

Looks like some of the references in the first "definition" are not so "Centrist".

Hmmm.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: dfnj2015

Two party's to represent 318,900,001 people, and you think that approach is rational?

Are you suggesting STRONG leadership that can only come from a right wing military style dictatorship?

Or are you suggesting communism where there is no private ownership of property and capital?

Marx always said laissez faire capitalism is always followed by communism because unfettered greed would result of the government's currency becoming worthless. Once the currency becomes worthless, people in bread lines will demand MORE government not less. See you in the bread lines comrades!

a reply to: SpeakerofTruth

Well you have a point. I know a professor who hated Trump and that he called him a incompetent impulsive man baby but he acknowledged that the Left is just as dangerous and that they have been attacking white working class Americans. He also criticized political correctness and the Liberal domination of academia. However, he has to keep his mouth shut or he'll lose his job.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

In reality Trump is the moderate candidate. The leftwing nutcases have gone soooo butt f*** far to the left that anyone who disagrees with them is extreme right.

a reply to: dfnj2015

I'm asserting this Two Party concept is a farce.

And so is this idea that our options are that, or fascism/communism/etc.

If you think Republicans are any better than Democrats you are completely delusional. It's been 2 months since Trump has been president and absolutely NOTHING meaningful has changed one iota.

There are laws that enslave men. There are laws that set them free. The problems with this country are not rocket science. The lobbyists force the politicians to pass laws creating cartels and monopolies in exchange for campaign financing. It does not matter what you pay in taxes. All that matters is the purchasing power of your take home pay.

All Trump getting elected was a big Eff you to Democrats and Hillary Clinton (she's really a Nixon Republican).

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Fascism and communism is an ideology of the left. It is the idea of government with complete control. Then you can sub divide them into globalists and nationalists version of total government control.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: intrptr

I hear crowd divertor barricades make for great battering rams on bank plate glass windows.

I have a bunch of junk in my garage. If i pile it in the street and set fire to it, think anyone will notice?

originally posted by: amfirst1
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Fascism and communism is an ideology of the left. It is the idea of government with complete control. Then you can sub divide them into globalists and nationalists version of total government control.

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

I hear lot people saying we have too much communism in this country. But I think we are little more closer to Benito's way of thinking. We are closer to Hunger Games in this country than we are to the Giver.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: dfnj2015

I'm asserting this Two Party concept is a farce.

And so is this idea that our options are that, or fascism/communism/etc.

Here's the problem in this country. There are people who think corporations have too much power and they mostly vote for Democrats (even though the Democrats are so beyond corruption and graft they might as well not exist as a party). And then there are people who think government has too much power and they generally vote for Republicans.

So there you have it. Are the corporations more evil? Or is government more evil?

I tend to lean towards thinking corporations have way too much power in 2017. I hope the pendulum swings back at some point. It's not that I believe in government. It's just that government is the only force powerful enough to fight corporation power and greed.

Read this excerpt from a Bernie Sanders stump speech:

"An old English judge once said: 'Necessitous men are not free men.' Liberty requires opportunity to make a living - a living decent according to the standard of the time, a living which gives man not only enough to live by, but something to live for.

For too many of us the political equality we once had won was meaningless in the face of economic inequality. A small group had concentrated into their own hands an almost complete control over other people's property, other people's money, other people's labor - other people's lives. For too many of us life was no longer free; liberty no longer real; men could no longer follow the pursuit of happiness.

Against economic tyranny such as this, the American citizen could appeal only to the organized power of government."

The problem is government is corrupt as Satan. You would think if we could send a man to the moon that we would be smart enough to come up with a system of governance that would keep corruption to a minimum. We need a police force like the FBI to investigate local politicians and put people in jail for corruption.

Casinos are somehow capable of self-governance. There's a reason why most of the cameras in the casinos are pointed at the money changers. The dealers the ones who usual steal from the casinos.

But what difference does it make. No matter how well we govern ourselves the Federal Reserve will sweep in and suck up the gravy. Until we get rid of the Fed we will all continue to be wage slaves. President Lincoln had a very nice idea during the civil war:

"During the Civil War (1861-1865), President Lincoln needed money to finance the War from the North. The Bankers were going to charge him 24% to 36% interest. Lincoln was horrified and went away greatly distressed, for he was a man of principle and would not think of plunging his beloved country into a debt that the country would find impossible to pay back."
"Eventually President Lincoln was advised to get Congress to pass a law authorizing the printing of full legal tender Treasury notes to pay for the War effort. Lincoln recognized the great benefits of this issue. At one point he wrote: "
"(we) gave the people of this Republic the greatest blessing they have ever had – their own paper money to pay their own debts..."
"The Treasury notes were printed with green ink on the back, so the people called them "Greenbacks". "
"Lincoln printed 400 million dollars worth of Greenbacks (the exact amount being $449,338,902), money that he delegated to be created, a debt-free and interest-free money to finance the War. It served as legal tender for all debts, public and private. He printed it, paid it to the soldiers, to the U.S. Civil Service employees, and bought supplies for war.
Shortly after that happened, The London Times printed the following: "If that mischievous financial policy, which had its origin in the North American Republic, should become indurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without a debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of the civilized governments of the world. The brains and the wealth of all countries will go to North America. That government must be destroyed, or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe."

Lincoln was then killed because of this policy. There was an attempt to murder Andrew Jackson because he created interest free money. Kennedy was assassinated for creating interest free money. It's probably too much to ask a president to be so brave as to create a new batch of treasury notes.

"Give me control of a nations money supply, and I care not who makes it’s laws". Mater Amschel Rothschild