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How does American www. infrastructure work?

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posted on Feb, 20 2017 @ 01:19 AM
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Can the government save storage?
Can the Government look up IP?

If not, why? What are the regulations?
Is there a law prohibiting? Which law?

Sorry for asking, thanks for the help in advance
edit on 2017220 by tikbalang because: knock, knock...




posted on Feb, 20 2017 @ 02:42 AM
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a reply to: tikbalang

The Internet is not US government owned.

It came out of DARPA research and university networks but the infrastructure is now predominantly commercially owned.

The Internet is also international and America does not rule the world. Even America's enemies have internet infrastructure.

The NSA, as revealed by Snowden, is deliberately spying on the American people on a massive scale. This intelligence is only available to the US government, so, the US government spies on its own people, in contradiction to its own laws and accepted human rights.

Many IP addresses are granted dynamically and so an IP address has been proven in court to be an insufficient identifier alone, of a person. Specific address ranges are allocated to groups and companies and so the ownership and administration of those addresses is known. Every network interface has a unique MAC address, which is bigger than IP adresses. The thing is that only the local router is supposed to know MAC addresses, which 'may' specifically point to a particular piece of hardware, but even MAC addresses can be 'spoofed' (quite easily), meaning that it is not really a definite pointer to a person.

It is possible, through encryption and advanced routing techniques, to use the internet but to hide your activity. This makes for greater privacy but also enables the dark web, which can also be used criminally.

Warrantless spying on US citizens is illegal and Bush's 2002 presidential order removes judicial oversight and was not ratified by the senate. It is illegal, too. Like some of the presidential executive orders that other recent presidents have signed.



posted on Feb, 20 2017 @ 03:07 AM
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a reply to: tikbalang

Also, in regard to saving storage, that is often done as evidence but is itself against the law.

There have been instances where US law enforcement agencies have siezed servers that were involved in copyright infringement but then put those servers back online to entrap file sharers. This is against the law but I doubt that the law agencies would ever be prosecuted.

There would appear to be an attitude that the US government and its agencies have the right to go beyond the law.



posted on Feb, 20 2017 @ 05:36 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

So let's say you are a #ty person, but the evidence is Web based, they can without a doubt say it's you. It won't be used? You need the person to do the # in real life? But if someone else did it you are off the hook?

Strange system, so much s# walk free? just cause the law is dysfunctional?



posted on Feb, 20 2017 @ 06:10 AM
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originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: chr0naut

So let's say you are a #ty person, but the evidence is Web based, they can without a doubt say it's you. It won't be used? You need the person to do the # in real life? But if someone else did it you are off the hook?

Strange system, so much s# walk free? just cause the law is dysfunctional?


If a law agency can subpoena the ISP to reveal who was logged in to a specific IP at the time of any offence, it would still rely on various factors to prove guilt of said individual - such as someone with an insecure wifi router, and the possibility of someone in a drive by hacking. Or the possibility of remote access via a trojan. Hell I used to use insecure wingates to take perverts off IRC back in the 90's. and boy was that fun. Taking over pedo chans and banning everyone.

And so, your Identity would need to be verified by correlating evidence on your devices. That's where it gets the dirt.

And what do you mean, if someone else did it, you're off the hook? I would HOPE so.

Just remember this. People are not as bright as we'd like to think. People leave trails everywhere on the internet. I can get your details if I just know a little about you. And I've forced one or more ***ty people off services because they think they're anonymous.

One bread crumb inevitably leads to another, to another to another... and if *I* can do that in my spare time, you know people paid to do it, can... Legal or not, in a court of law, it can be done by someone with a little bit of nouse.

And with things like facebook, blogs, forums, usenet, irc that doesn't mask IPs... this is why I don't even trust me on the net. lol.. I'm tenacious.



posted on Feb, 20 2017 @ 06:14 AM
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originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: chr0naut

So let's say you are a #ty person, but the evidence is Web based, they can without a doubt say it's you. It won't be used? You need the person to do the # in real life? But if someone else did it you are off the hook?

Strange system, so much s# walk free? just cause the law is dysfunctional?


I don't really get your point. You know mud sticks, right? even to innocent people.

I'd hope that quantifiable evidence of something results in a lawful action... not innocent people caught up in an all encompassing arbitrary law, which is how things are headed if you ask me.



posted on Feb, 20 2017 @ 06:16 AM
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a reply to: savemebarry

Where I live if you are under suspicion, then nothing is personal and everything will be used..
It protects the citizens not the citizen



posted on Feb, 20 2017 @ 06:24 AM
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originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: savemebarry

Where I live if you are under suspicion, then nothing is personal and everything will be used..
It protects the citizens not the citizen


As I said, it's how this are going in my opinion.

I don't agree with it. It's like guards on horses taking you away for witchcraft...

Some of us are practising magic though



posted on Feb, 20 2017 @ 07:01 AM
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a reply to: tikbalang

When I'm online on a certain IP if I log into ATS on ATS I tell stories that match up who I am on facebook.. I have my Gmail account open...

whatever whatever..

ISP tells the feds.. (they have to)..

and that's that.

It's true it takes more than an IP address alone in almost any case because any random person my housemates invite over might use my computer.. But they won't be logging into all my accounts that I'm sure are all "linked" now.

Obviously people get arrested for internet crimes. Cause trust me they linked the hacking to my friend in highschool.. FBI came knocking one day.. Said he stole money out of paypal accounts.

here check this out.

The FBI Hacked a Dark Web Child Porn Site to Unmask Its Visitors



posted on Feb, 20 2017 @ 08:33 AM
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So I'm just adding my own observations compileed from sitting right here over the years, from memory.

Before the wireless world, landlines were monitored for key words like drug talk (Kilo, pound, ounce, etc) to then kick in recording devices that taped a short bit of conversation to be reviewed later in case there was drug activity.

This was not done as 'tapping' individual lines it was a mass monitoring of all phone communications at the time (two guesses where this was occurring). It was addressed in the then media , such as "underground" newspapers and magazines , (not so main stream purveyors of more truth, back then) being considered generally accepted... i.e., watch what you say on the phone.

Problem then was the hard wired nature of phone systems back then made that difficult, more difficult than today where the whole world is gone wireless, and golfball shaped domed satellite dishes festoon the landscape monitoring every channel.

Combined with the yuuuge data centers that are sprouting to amass the volumes of transmissions for later review by advanced software they have been developing for decades (since those early days)...

and combining that with Snowdens revelations about the nature of total eavesdropping, collecting, sorting and storing that wireless activity...

ahh, who cares anyway?



posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 12:37 AM
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originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: chr0naut

So let's say you are a #ty person, but the evidence is Web based, they can without a doubt say it's you. It won't be used? You need the person to do the # in real life? But if someone else did it you are off the hook?

Strange system, so much s# walk free? just cause the law is dysfunctional?


Innocent unless PROVEN guilty.



posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 12:46 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr

So I'm just adding my own observations compileed from sitting right here over the years, from memory.

Before the wireless world, landlines were monitored for key words like drug talk (Kilo, pound, ounce, etc) to then kick in recording devices that taped a short bit of conversation to be reviewed later in case there was drug activity.

This was not done as 'tapping' individual lines it was a mass monitoring of all phone communications at the time (two guesses where this was occurring). It was addressed in the then media , such as "underground" newspapers and magazines , (not so main stream purveyors of more truth, back then) being considered generally accepted... i.e., watch what you say on the phone.

Problem then was the hard wired nature of phone systems back then made that difficult, more difficult than today where the whole world is gone wireless, and golfball shaped domed satellite dishes festoon the landscape monitoring every channel.

Combined with the yuuuge data centers that are sprouting to amass the volumes of transmissions for later review by advanced software they have been developing for decades (since those early days)...

and combining that with Snowdens revelations about the nature of total eavesdropping, collecting, sorting and storing that wireless activity...

ahh, who cares anyway?


There are those who care. People who break the law should be prosecuted - even if they are 'government'.

www.aclu.org...



posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 01:08 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

let the mob do the work then



posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 01:14 AM
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originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: chr0naut

let the mob do the work then


Perhaps we could imprison all the 'untouchables' as soon as their political term is complete?



posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 08:42 AM
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a reply to: tikbalang

If we're talking about the US they can tap into international submarine cables on land as it doesn't happen in the US officially so I remember and probably if you're in the NSA you're probably fed up of seeing cat vids etc.

Anyone can look up an IP address, it probably will tell you the ISP/company who has been allocated and a court order or NSL will probably be needed to find out where the link was and then more to find the person who did something.



posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 11:49 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: intrptr

So I'm just adding my own observations compileed from sitting right here over the years, from memory.

Before the wireless world, landlines were monitored for key words like drug talk (Kilo, pound, ounce, etc) to then kick in recording devices that taped a short bit of conversation to be reviewed later in case there was drug activity.

This was not done as 'tapping' individual lines it was a mass monitoring of all phone communications at the time (two guesses where this was occurring). It was addressed in the then media , such as "underground" newspapers and magazines , (not so main stream purveyors of more truth, back then) being considered generally accepted... i.e., watch what you say on the phone.

Problem then was the hard wired nature of phone systems back then made that difficult, more difficult than today where the whole world is gone wireless, and golfball shaped domed satellite dishes festoon the landscape monitoring every channel.

Combined with the yuuuge data centers that are sprouting to amass the volumes of transmissions for later review by advanced software they have been developing for decades (since those early days)...

and combining that with Snowdens revelations about the nature of total eavesdropping, collecting, sorting and storing that wireless activity...

ahh, who cares anyway?


There are those who care. People who break the law should be prosecuted - even if they are 'government'.

www.aclu.org...


The gubments the one behind the mass surveillance. The ACLU? That site is suing trump, lol... Trump is not behind the surveillance. Like I said its been ongoing since before I could spell it.



posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 02:41 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: intrptr

So I'm just adding my own observations compileed from sitting right here over the years, from memory.

Before the wireless world, landlines were monitored for key words like drug talk (Kilo, pound, ounce, etc) to then kick in recording devices that taped a short bit of conversation to be reviewed later in case there was drug activity.

This was not done as 'tapping' individual lines it was a mass monitoring of all phone communications at the time (two guesses where this was occurring). It was addressed in the then media , such as "underground" newspapers and magazines , (not so main stream purveyors of more truth, back then) being considered generally accepted... i.e., watch what you say on the phone.

Problem then was the hard wired nature of phone systems back then made that difficult, more difficult than today where the whole world is gone wireless, and golfball shaped domed satellite dishes festoon the landscape monitoring every channel.

Combined with the yuuuge data centers that are sprouting to amass the volumes of transmissions for later review by advanced software they have been developing for decades (since those early days)...

and combining that with Snowdens revelations about the nature of total eavesdropping, collecting, sorting and storing that wireless activity...

ahh, who cares anyway?


There are those who care. People who break the law should be prosecuted - even if they are 'government'.

www.aclu.org...


The gubments the one behind the mass surveillance. The ACLU? That site is suing trump, lol... Trump is not behind the surveillance. Like I said its been ongoing since before I could spell it.


You may have missed the memo, but there was this big election thing and, apparently, Trump is now in charge of the government.




posted on Feb, 21 2017 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: intrptr

So I'm just adding my own observations compileed from sitting right here over the years, from memory.

Before the wireless world, landlines were monitored for key words like drug talk (Kilo, pound, ounce, etc) to then kick in recording devices that taped a short bit of conversation to be reviewed later in case there was drug activity.

This was not done as 'tapping' individual lines it was a mass monitoring of all phone communications at the time (two guesses where this was occurring). It was addressed in the then media , such as "underground" newspapers and magazines , (not so main stream purveyors of more truth, back then) being considered generally accepted... i.e., watch what you say on the phone.

Problem then was the hard wired nature of phone systems back then made that difficult, more difficult than today where the whole world is gone wireless, and golfball shaped domed satellite dishes festoon the landscape monitoring every channel.

Combined with the yuuuge data centers that are sprouting to amass the volumes of transmissions for later review by advanced software they have been developing for decades (since those early days)...

and combining that with Snowdens revelations about the nature of total eavesdropping, collecting, sorting and storing that wireless activity...

ahh, who cares anyway?


There are those who care. People who break the law should be prosecuted - even if they are 'government'.

www.aclu.org...


The gubments the one behind the mass surveillance. The ACLU? That site is suing trump, lol... Trump is not behind the surveillance. Like I said its been ongoing since before I could spell it.


You may have missed the memo, but there was this big election thing and, apparently, Trump is now in charge of the government.


Ya, the official memo that says, "Don't pay any attention to that man behind the curtain."

"The powerful Oz has spoken!"



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