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Trump's Press Conference Was a Joke

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posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 07:49 AM
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originally posted by: The GUT
One more thing: There's a reason the Russia hate full-court press is on. I'm certain we need to resist it and not buy into it.
Problem is that Putin is playing the long game and he ain't in it for the benefit of his people. There's no doubt that he heads a kleptocracy and that fact needs to remain paramount in any consideration of realpolitik.

Trump is an accident of the electoral process. He wasn't supposed to happen to the presidency. I don't think he has the energy or the acumen to last it out against the deep state. One thing's for #-sure, it's time for anybody with half a clue to get out of the echo chambers...both left and right. Something is...off.




posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 07:51 AM
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originally posted by: kosmicjack
a reply to: Gryphon66

It's the kool-aid.


Divided. I guess that's one way to look at it.

Split in two is more like it. Schism. Cloven in Twain.

It's like there are ... two different ... "reality waves" (I know that sounds full of woo and I despise the phrase) that we are turning into ... before the election, for example, you had one perception of Mr. Trump ... and now you have a fairly diametrically opposed one.

Or is it not that extreme? I don't mean to tell you what you think, feel or perceive.

None of us are "crazy" ... none of us here are really "stupid" ... but we are in two totally different worlds.



posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 07:51 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Our society is sick.

What's happening now is a symptom of that sickness.



posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 07:54 AM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Here's what I don't get. I just don't get. I can't get my head around it.

None of us here are mentally defcient. Most of us are fairly well-educated (or well-experienced at least) and intelligent.


There are loads people in here who believe in pixies, fairies, flat earth, spirit orbs (aka Dust), bigfoot, giant birdmen etc and i'm pretty sure most of them are old enough to vote. Believing Donald's every word wont be too much of a stretch for those people.


Right. I get "alternate beliefs" and "different ways of looking at the world" and so forth.

I dunno. This seems to be more extreme than that.



posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 07:55 AM
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originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: Gryphon66

Our society is sick.

What's happening now is a symptom of that sickness.



Are we hallucinating from the sickness?

And if so, which "side" is hallucinating?

(I'm afraid to think that the real answer is "both.")



posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 07:58 AM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: Gryphon66

Mentalists have selective hearing, and sight. Which is why trump think he had the most votes ever or the most people at his inaug.... etc.

The trumpoholics are just in denial whilst watching their lord and savior sweat bullets in front of the nation and ramble like a twit about non sensical alternative 'facts'.



But when we use a term like "trumpoholics" we are discounting millions of people with vastly differing capacities.

I'm beginning to believe that terms like that ... as well as "right" and "left" are an integral part of the problem.

Many of our friends here at ATS who are in the "Trump is Great" universe are brilliant, cogent folks ...

I dunno. I'm scratching for answers.



posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 08:08 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
It's like there are ... two different ... "reality waves" (I know that sounds full of woo and I despise the phrase) that we are turning into ... before the election, for example, you had one perception of Mr. Trump ... and now you have a fairly diametrically opposed one. None of us are "crazy" ... none of us here are really "stupid" ... but we are in two totally different worlds.
Ok...Kelly Ann Conway has the worst job in the world. She is a Republican apparatchik, but is way over her head. She has to make The Donald sound Presidential. And his personal brand is based on anything but that.
She was pilloried for coining the term 'alternate facts'. Here's a fact...isn't that just another way of saying 'depends how you look at it', or to quote a great man...me...'it depends upon what lens you are wearing'?
She was also pilloried for the Ivanka's line of product thing. Tell me...did that sound like a felony offence? Or like a call to lighten up?

My point? Our perceptions are being very carefully managed. And that should be of great concern, no matter where one's politics lie.
edit on 17-2-2017 by JohnnyCanuck because: Indeed!



posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 08:16 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: Gryphon66

Mentalists have selective hearing, and sight. Which is why trump think he had the most votes ever or the most people at his inaug.... etc.

The trumpoholics are just in denial whilst watching their lord and savior sweat bullets in front of the nation and ramble like a twit about non sensical alternative 'facts'.



But when we use a term like "trumpoholics" we are discounting millions of people with vastly differing capacities.

I'm beginning to believe that terms like that ... as well as "right" and "left" are an integral part of the problem.

Many of our friends here at ATS who are in the "Trump is Great" universe are brilliant, cogent folks ...

I dunno. I'm scratching for answers.


I really appreciate you admiting that it's not as simple as people who support trump are all stupid.

The world is far more complex than that. The truth is anyone can be made to believe anything. It really is dependent on their experiences. This is why US soldiers who loved America can be made to hate it with a couple of years of persuasion. It is all just conditioning, however there does need to be some actual truths that can be pointed at to sustain beliefs, because with enough contradicting evidence conditioning can be broken.

This is why I am not concerned about the trump is hitler narrative, it is just a short matter of time before that is clearly false.



posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 08:34 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: Gryphon66

Our society is sick.

What's happening now is a symptom of that sickness.



Are we hallucinating from the sickness?

And if so, which "side" is hallucinating?

(I'm afraid to think that the real answer is "both.")


I wish I thought there was a virus going around, like the common cold, and soon we will be over it. But it's more serious than that, I'm afraid. People, many many people are unhappy and dissatisfied with their lives. They are apparently miserable. Such misery coming from all the working class, all the displaced persons, all the jobless.

In looking for a cure for their unhappiness, they have blamed the government, and now look to the government for a cure, apparently not realizing the government can't fix "a person".

It's widespread. There is a cure, but the government is not it. Each person will have to find it on their own.



posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 08:40 AM
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a reply to: angeldoll

Agreed, on all points, 100%



posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 08:41 AM
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originally posted by: proximo

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: Gryphon66

Mentalists have selective hearing, and sight. Which is why trump think he had the most votes ever or the most people at his inaug.... etc.

The trumpoholics are just in denial whilst watching their lord and savior sweat bullets in front of the nation and ramble like a twit about non sensical alternative 'facts'.



But when we use a term like "trumpoholics" we are discounting millions of people with vastly differing capacities.

I'm beginning to believe that terms like that ... as well as "right" and "left" are an integral part of the problem.

Many of our friends here at ATS who are in the "Trump is Great" universe are brilliant, cogent folks ...

I dunno. I'm scratching for answers.




This is why I am not concerned about the trump is hitler narrative,

Trump can only dream of being as clever a orator as Hitler. I see Trump as more of a poor mans Mussolini..



posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 08:43 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Good. I know my comments are an over-simplification and there is more to it. I think it's actually much darker.



posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 08:45 AM
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a reply to: proximo

No. I see his actions as appalling, by and large, self-serving and irrational.

He's not "taking on the Deep State" ... he's eliminating the competition.

This is why I've been saying it's not just a matter of different opinions that vary slightly on a scene.

We really see two totally different people ... and neither of us are fools.

There is a mechanism at work here, and I have to keep searching until I find it.

I appreciate your words and tone, however.



posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 08:52 AM
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As an aside, overlooked by many because of the Trump press conference, six Trump staffers were let go because they couldn't obtain FBI security clearances.
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posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 08:56 AM
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I am he as you are he as you are me
And we are all together
See how they run like pigs from a gun
See how they fly
I'm crying


*sigh. Heavy sigh.



posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 09:22 AM
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a reply to: Nikola014

Obama was not a teleprompter president



posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 09:23 AM
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originally posted by: Olivine
As an aside, overlooked by many because of the Trump press conference, six Trump staffers were let go because they couldn't obtain FBI security clearances.
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Does this have a thread of its own?



posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 09:27 AM
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"If all that is good thinks you evil... are you?"

This whole thing has reminded me of a book I once read. Banewreaker (The Sundering, #1) by Jacqueline Carey and that was the tag line. I certainly don't expect to find existential truth from a fantasy novel, but I think you can find bits of wisdom in many places if you are paying attention.

It's funny really, how people on different sides saw this event.

So you go into the book, knowing it's going to be from the bad guys perspective and as you delve deeper into it, it really makes you question who the bad guys really are...definitely not a light-hearted book and a bit of a downer if you read some of the summaries about it (because you know how it has to go down).

But it seems really applicable these days. I mean...MASS amounts of people are calling him the devil and the anti-Christ and such...More people than I have ever seen are up in arms against him and I'm not really sure why?

To me it seems like the MSM and other Self-Entitled-Jerks-With-Important-Titles are all telling us how evil he is and how we all need to band together and storm the White House with pitch forks and torches and oust the monster.

Dracula. Frankenstein. The Wolf-man...monsters all to be sure, but I seem to remember more humanity and tragedy in their original tales, once you got past the surface.

I mean, I get he's crude, rude and blunt. I get that he defies standard conventions and I get he isn't a sterling example of honor and honesty....because as Dr. House so fondly said...Everybody Lies.

I think back to what brought me to this site (and others) too, years before I actually signed up...it was because I didn't feel everything I was hearing and reading in he news and everything Our Beloved Leaders were saying didn't resonate with me as honest or in the best interest of people in general.

I'm not saying Trump is the answer or Trump is the Resurrection, The Truth and the Light...what I'm saying is that all those sources that got me here in the first place are now rallied against him....and that alone is enough to make me ask the question I basically started this post with.

So for now, I'm just gonna be cautiously optimistic that things will settle down and hopefully get better.



posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 09:34 AM
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originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: Gryphon66

Our society is sick.

What's happening now is a symptom of that sickness.



Are we hallucinating from the sickness?

And if so, which "side" is hallucinating?

(I'm afraid to think that the real answer is "both.")


I wish I thought there was a virus going around, like the common cold, and soon we will be over it. But it's more serious than that, I'm afraid. People, many many people are unhappy and dissatisfied with their lives. They are apparently miserable. Such misery coming from all the working class, all the displaced persons, all the jobless.

In looking for a cure for their unhappiness, they have blamed the government, and now look to the government for a cure, apparently not realizing the government can't fix "a person".

It's widespread. There is a cure, but the government is not it. Each person will have to find it on their own.


This is wrong - first off changing the government is the cure when it is actively working against your best interests.

Second people voting for trump are not looking for the government to be a cure, they are looking for it to give them security and get out of the way. We only have to look at our history to know this works much better than what we have now.

I think it is hilarious you think Trump voters want the government to fix them, when you say that all I am reminded of is the poor fools from 2008 who thought Obama was going to give them a house and reparations. Trump voters are looking for a job, or a realistic opportunity to start a successful business, not a hand out.

I also think it is hilarious because the whole socialism mindset is government can change people away from their selfish nature, and that everyone is equal.

Actually this post signals to me you would not be left leaning if you were economically distressed, because you seem to believe people need to pull themselves up. I think you just need to experience more hardship - just like all of Hollywood and the college professors to fully grasp the world is not Utopian, nor will it ever be in any of our lifetimes.



posted on Feb, 17 2017 @ 09:36 AM
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a reply to: veracity

nope. Go for it. I would participate in a "state of the white house" type of thread.





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