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Deep State ‘Goes Nuclear’ — Trump ‘Will Die in Jail

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posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 10:56 AM
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a reply to: neo96

NO, they don't need to defund them, they Trump administration needs to clean house, get rid of all the democrat loyalist specially those that Hillary was able to buy out with her foundation money.

That is the first thing Trump should have done.

But so far we can see that before the frog in the white house left he told his loyalist within the agencies to do whatever they could to undermined Trump leadership as the president because he took it from Hillary.

Look at the ban on immigration and what one of the Frogs appointee did it was under directions from the previous administration and that is unacceptable.

None of those working within the agencies are loyal to the present administration and they have been in their positions long enough to cause damage to the Trump administration and to the American nation.

And they right now do not give a crap of what they do, that makes them very dangerous because they know they will not be working in their positions for long




posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 10:56 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
Defund the DIA,CIA,NSA.

That is all it would take.

Until they produce the offenders.


You don't think they have black funds? They don't play by the rules...It's not about politics or ideology, it's about raw unbridled POWER.


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posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 10:58 AM
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originally posted by: neo96



Supporting a soft coup against Donald Trump is supporting the NWO.


Supporting the intelligence complex over a lawfully elected leader is TREASON.

We are watching.

We don't like what we are seeing.

Snip us off, and we can, and will do away with them completely.

That is our sovereign RIGHT as the people.


I really wish that I could believe you, but the facts of the matter keep getting in the way. I am not saying that it is too late to take action, I am saying that if action was going to be taken, it should have been long ago. Now it is all talk, no action. What are you waiting for? What straw is going to break your camel's back? When is enough enough? The truth is that "enough" happened a long time ago, and We the People did nothing. Words no longer matter in this discussion. They fall flat. I do not propose revolution for the simple reason that we will always come back to it. Thomas Jefferson even said so. If you really want freedom, stop voting for people to govern you. Problem solved. If no man is elected, then no man may rule.



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 10:59 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: neo96
Defund the DIA,CIA,NSA.

That is all it would take.

Until they produce the offenders.


You don't think they have black funds? They don't play by the rules...It's not about politics or ideology, it's about raw unbridled POWER.



Yeah it is about the politics.

Anyone thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 11:01 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

Great idea! It would provide an expedient way to "drain the swamp" of excess overhead.

Why do we need a National Security Adviser & a Director of National Intelligence PLUS over a dozen agencies - these guys do SIGINT, these guys do HUMINT, these guys just deal with space threats, these guys just deal with domestic threats - you get the point.

A complete restructure of the IC is what's needed, too much BS territorial control, too many specialized compartments, whatever helps break this structure down into something more homogenous & efficient, I'm for it.

ganjoa



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 11:05 AM
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a reply to: olaru12

Is a power that a new president that actually do not belong to the established political club membership can give them problems, he can not be manipulated, he will be defiant, he will not bend to their will.

He can destroy their power or take away from it.

Trump is a target now for the status quo.



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 11:05 AM
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a reply to: neo96

neo96,

As you know, you and I have had plenty of disagreements in the past, and probably will well into the future as well. But I think I am with you in terms of the trustworthiness or lack thereof, that can be assumed on the part of the intelligence services.

If their attitude is that they are acting against the current President (whom I despise, and would happily crush beneath my boots without seeking payment for my efforts), because they consider him to be a threat domestic, as opposed to foreign, then I have to ask them where their fine morals were, when they started creating the mass surveillance systems which currently make a mockery of peoples constitutional protections against unreasonable searches, seizures (which apply to data as well as property and the person) and other such treatments.

I have to wonder where their morals were, when they were helping create the bogeymen of the Middle East over the last six or more decades, why it is only now that Trump has arrived, that these individuals in the intelligence community see fit to FINALLY appear to stand up for something. The probability is, that far from being saviours of the nation, from what is most certainly a moral threat, they are merely competing to once again be the largest and most absolute source of terror, having been challenged by the spectre of history that comes right along with the rise of the ignorant paramecium that is Trump.



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 11:10 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

Their power were increased under the Bush administration and the patriot act, that was the gift that keeps on giving thanks to the Republicans back during their 8 years of rule.

During Obama that rule shifted to the Democrats and Hillary buying our anybody that could be bought.

That caused corruption to eliminate corruption with loyalist behind the scenes is a danger to the established status quo.

They will kill before giving away.



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 11:10 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit




As you know, you and I have had plenty of disagreements in the past, and probably will well into the future as well. But I think I am with you in terms of the trustworthiness or lack thereof, that can be assumed on the part of the intelligence services.


I think the world has gone full retard when a conspiracy website starts shilling for the INTEL community.

Sorry I don't have a better word for it.

From 9-11 was an inside job to Trumps a commie traitor, and all his henchman.



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 11:11 AM
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Who resurrected the term "deep state" lately?

Alex Jones?

Wow, the echo chamber is in full throttle, LOL.



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 11:14 AM
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originally posted by: Maverick1
It's odd to me, given the 'anti-politics' stance on ATS by many members lately, that even here a lot of people can't see that this is THE conspiracy.

This is what ATS is about, all the damned marbles are on the table now. Let that dawn on us all: the doom-porn-ish, over reactive, imaginative opinions or facts or fantasies of conspiracy we have all speculated on for years are all unfolding NOW.

The forces of covert control vs the will of the people they have lorded over for so long. Like him or hate him, Trump seems to literally be all we have to stem this tide. Maybe his reasons are nefarious, maybe he isn't on the side of the angels completely----but he is certainly against the very evil bastards all of us here have railed about, speculated about and preached about/against for years.

Ironic as hell that after this solid conspiracy web-site has taken an investigative, ignorance-denying stance for over a decade and now some can't see what is right in front of us all.

This is the legally elected US government (and the BREXIT supporters to a degree) vs the shadow globalist cabal of the PTB and their lap-dog leftist minions.

Time to pick sides, fence straddlers. Those are our options.


Very concisely framed and dead center. Good shot, man.





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posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 11:14 AM
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a reply to: neo96

I certainly think it is strange that nearly every machination of the intelligence community, both in the US and globally, has been turned against the freedom and liberty of the people they are supposedly sworn to protect, for decades, and yet because they have turned against Trump, they are now occupying a positive space in some peoples eyes.

I think the term "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is one of those lies which appears more like truth, the more often it is uttered, and yet remains a lie. The enemy of my enemy is only my friend, when they would be my friend regardless of their opinion of my enemy. In this case, the intelligence community of the US is no friend to any regular citizen of the nation.



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: Maverick1

We have in our hands an agenda, but that agenda is not the Trump agenda, but those behind him that wants to undermine his presidency.

Because he is no one of the old good boys, like Hillary power would have been.



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 11:20 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: neo96

I certainly think it is strange that nearly every machination of the intelligence community, both in the US and globally, has been turned against the freedom and liberty of the people they are supposedly sworn to protect, for decades, and yet because they have turned against Trump, they are now occupying a positive space in some peoples eyes.

I knew you were in there, mate. Now...help us!



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 11:23 AM
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a reply to: Maverick1

Maverick1,

Simply put, you are both right and wrong.

You are right, that all the marbles are on the table. You are wrong that despite his faults, Trump is there to deliver your nation from its ills. He is there to profit from them, and bring everything between himself and that end to heel, or destroy it. You are essentially swapping one, secret larval fascism, for an overt and juvenile one.

If it is possible to deliver the United States from its ills, it will take someone who legitimately occupies the moral high ground to do it, and Trump has never occupied the first rung on that ladder, leave alone the uppermost.



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 11:25 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
Who resurrected the term "deep state" lately?

Alex Jones?

Wow, the echo chamber is in full throttle, LOL.


That term has been around for many decades. It was legitimately resurrected recently to describe exactly what is going on with the attempt to undermine the president the American people chose.



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 11:28 AM
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a reply to: The GUT

As I have pointed out several times, I am not actually doing anything different than I ever have, which is why you will still see me poking inconsistencies regarding matters such as these.



posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 11:28 AM
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originally posted by: queenofswords

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Who resurrected the term "deep state" lately?

Alex Jones?

Wow, the echo chamber is in full throttle, LOL.


That term has been around for many decades. It was legitimately resurrected recently to describe exactly what is going on with the attempt to undermine the president the American people chose.


And what entity "legitimately resurrected" it in the last few weeks? (It starts to promulgate between Feb. 8-10) I believe it was Alex Jones. Do you have conflicting evidence? I'm searching.

That's my point. If you set aside partisanship, as I am working to do in this new year and my new ATS lease on life, you can see that such oddities of cultural "time and tide" are not coincidental.

EDITED TO ADD: For example, if you go to Google and search "deep state" prior to Jan. 31 ... you see sporadic uses of the term from across the media spectrum. Then, after that date, in the last bit, it has promulgated through the "right-wing" blog-sphere etc.

Google - "deep state" through January 31, 2017
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posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 11:29 AM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: olaru12

Is a power that a new president that actually do not belong to the established political club membership can give them problems, he can not be manipulated, he will be defiant, he will not bend to their will.






Then he will suffer the same fate as the Kennedy's.
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posted on Feb, 16 2017 @ 11:39 AM
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a reply to: olaru12

If the status quo can not control him he will become a target.

And if the status quo work the people against him good enough as they are trying to do right now, guess what people will even applaud if something happen to him before he finish his term.

That is how bad things are in our nation, when certain factions can control the outcome and outcry of the people they are manipulating with propaganda.




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