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Originally posted by Ryanp5555
So how would this contradict the flood story in the bible? Maybe Gilagamesh is Noah or something. I think it would validate the flood story if anything.
Originally posted by nomp3s
Umm...ever hear of the city of Troy? How about King Arthur? Both myths which were eventually proven history.
Originally posted by Phaethor
if the Tomb of Gilgamesh was found then the story of Noah in the bible will be said to be a copy of the Gilgamesh flood story. Thus Noah and his sons and daughters could not be the only survivors of the flood,
Originally posted by Nygdan
.......Utnapishtim recounted how the Sumerian gods, tired of the noise man was making, decided to wipe them out by flooding the world. ...
VI. I've heard that there are a lot of Biblical parallels in Sumerian literature. What are they?
...Gilgamesh, may have been a historical King of Erech,
during the time of the first Ur dynasty. His Kingship is mentioned
in various places, including the Sumerian King list and he was also...
Originally posted by Nygdan
=Utnapishtim recounted how the Sumerian gods, tired of the noise man was making, decided to wipe them out by flooding the world.
The only thing one needs to say that the biblical account is a variant of the Sumerian account is to establish that the two peoples shared a similar culture, (check) and that the sumerian account is recorded first (check). Short of finding an older hebrew account, one can safely say that the biblical account is at most a copy of the sumerian account, and at least (and more reasonably) that the two written accounts are based on a generalized hebrew-sumerian cultural myth.
Originally posted by St Udio
I like that phrase/idea...that man was too noisy...& swoosh!
[[few people are not noisy today- -fewer people are not unpleasant]]
some astute poster already suggested the ideas/storys are universal archtypes, and i agree.
Actually I believe it was just one God, Ea, I think was his name, the guy who got mad at the people for all their noise.
Epic of Gilgamesh, Tablet XI Column i John Gardner and John Maier translation from the Sin-leqi-unninni version:
Utnapishtim says to him, to Gligamesh, " I will uncover for you, Gilgamesh, a hidden thing, tell you a secret of the gods. In Shurippak-you know the city, I think- set on the bank of the Euphrates- the city was old and closeto the gods. THe great gods stirred their hearts to make the Flood. Mama was there, and the father, Anu, and their counsellor, the warrior Enlil; their throne-bearer Nunurta; their inspector of cannals Ennugi; [and] Ea, lord of the clear eye was present with them.
Their words he, [Ea,]repeats to the wall of reeds: 'Reed-wall, reed-wall! Wall, wall! Reed-wall listen! Wall, pay attention! Man of Shuruppak, son of Ubaratutu, tear down the house. Build an ark. Abandon riches. Seek life. Scorn possessions, hold onto life. Load the seed of every living thing into your ark, the boat that you will build. Let her measure be measured; let her breadth and length be equal. Cover it with a roof as the abyss is covered.'
I understood. I said to my lord, Ea, 'My lord, what you have thus spoken I will do in praise of you. As for me, I will need to answer the city, the people, and the elders.'
Ea shaped his mouth, saying, saying to me, his servant, 'You, you may say this to them: Enlil hates me - me! I cannot live in your city or turm my face toward that land which is Enlil's. I will go into the Abyss, to live with Ea, my lord. He will make richness rain down on you - the choicest of brids, the rarest fish. The land will have its fill of harvest riches. At dawn bread he will pour down on you - showers of wheat' "
...while the Old Babylonian version contained Gilgamesh's journey to Utnapishtim, there is no evidence that it included a retelling of the Flood. The Flood narrative is one of the major additions of the large version to the Gilgamesh.
The Flood itself has a complex history in mesopotamian literature, for which see [The Atra-hasis]
...the late version gives no reason for the Flood. [...]Enlil will be blamed for it by Ishtar and by Ea as an irrational act. Tigay [an author and scholar in more modern times] notes that Anu is exempted from complicity in the Flood. [Norman Habel] distinguishes two accounts in the biblical Flood story, the Yahwist version an the Presitly Writer's version, both of which provide statements about the reason for the Flood, the "wickedness of man" and the corrupt and violent earth. Of course, the monotheistic biblical account makes Yahweh/Elohim the only divine character in the narrative. Of the great gods who decide on the Flood, sic are mentioned, but their degree of complicity is not indicated. Mama is mentioned with Anu, and she may be identified with Ishtar in the late version. Enlil is called both "counsellor" and "warrior," a combination used ironically by Ea later. Ninurta and Ennugi are identified in their tradtional roles as thorne-bearer and inspector of canals. The list ends with Ea....
Conflict between Enki and Enlil is a pattern found in Sumerian myths. In the biblical versions, the conflict is resolved within Yahweh/Elohim, who "remembers" Noah and has a change of heart at the destruction he has caused.
The last two lines especially are metaphoric. Line 46 contains a pun on kukku, "bread", and kukku , darkness[with an accent on the last portion of the word]. Similarly kibtu in the last line can be "wheat" but also "misfortune".