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originally posted by: intrptr
Hypnocratic states of America. The evil ruuskie are 'near a warship' and 'off shore' somewhere 'near' a place called Delaware in a boat.
Shhh, NATO armor isn't really jammed up against Russia's border across Eastern Europe.
originally posted by: Snarl
If I was Trump ... I'd just throw the treaty in the fireplace.
We don't need no stinkin' treaties. The Russians do. Let 'em go broke again like they did while Gorbachev was seated.
The Russians go broke and it's goodbye Putin. I figured that out in less than 12 seconds. I wonder how long it took Trump's staff?
One has to wonder if this is just a posturing move by Russia in order to assert it potential power, a shot across NATO's bow, or perhaps a first test of Trump's leadership.
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: Vector99
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: introvert
Well the story is from CNN, so there is probably a lot of details left out of it, and probably some twists put into it.
I don't think the source I chose to link to is important whatsoever.
This is a real event that we must keep an eye on.
Actually the source is definitely important. CNN likes to leave out convenient details to make mountains out of molehills for what it's worth.
It's a developing story. Any news outlet at this point will not have all of the details.
I'd like to discuss the topic if you don't mind. If you have an ax to grind about fake news, or some other nonsense, go find a more appropriate thread.
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: the owlbear
I'm not familiar with past actions similar to this. Is this "common" from time to time or is this the first violation of the treaty?
originally posted by: kosmicjack
I'm concerned about the timing. If the dossier is legit and Flynn is out after negotiating with Russia, could this be an effort to convince Trump to stick to a deal or else?
originally posted by: kosmicjack
I'm concerned about the timing. If the dossier is legit and Flynn is out after negotiating with Russia, could this be an effort to convince Trump to stick to a deal or else?
originally posted by: Vector99
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: Vector99
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: introvert
Well the story is from CNN, so there is probably a lot of details left out of it, and probably some twists put into it.
I don't think the source I chose to link to is important whatsoever.
This is a real event that we must keep an eye on.
Actually the source is definitely important. CNN likes to leave out convenient details to make mountains out of molehills for what it's worth.
It's a developing story. Any news outlet at this point will not have all of the details.
I'd like to discuss the topic if you don't mind. If you have an ax to grind about fake news, or some other nonsense, go find a more appropriate thread.
I wasn't trying to start an arguement, was just simply pointing something out.
So after some looking it seems both sides have violated the treaty. The US' missile defense shield is capable of launching tomahawk cruise missiles and is deployed in Europe. The US previously got away with tomahawk missile development and testing because they were solely ship based/launched. The Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System is capable of firing the same missiles as the Mark 41 Vertical Launching System.
The Russians have made and tested new 9M729 missile - SSC-X-8(page is russian, you will need to use translate). The first test was apparently in 2008, and in 2011 the Obama administration had deemed them a compliance concern.
In short, this isn't new, and both sides are guilty of violation.
originally posted by: kosmicjack
a reply to: Vector99
Partisan tit for tat needs to be set aside regarding this Flynn/Trump/Russia thing. Flynn resigning isn't the end of this, it's just the first card to fall. The GOP and Trump supporters need to see this for the earthquake-sized scandal that it is or risk the midterms.