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Donald Trump should recognize Crimea as part of Russia under 1 condition

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posted on Feb, 14 2017 @ 10:21 AM
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Crimea has several millions Russian citizens, 0 Ukrainian citizens. It had been a disputed territory since 1954. Khrushev assigned it from Russia to Ukraine by decree in 1954 in violation of the constitution of Russia and the constitution of the USSR. When Ukraine became a state in 1991, Ukraine should have gave Crimea back to Russia, which Ukraine refused to do.

There is no realistic way to return Crimea to Ukraine other than WW3.

So, what Donald Trump should do is strike a deal with Putin. Recognition of Crimea as Russian territory in exchange for Russia declaring war on Islamic jihadists in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia. Russia has so far refused to deploy ground forces in large numbers out of fear of heavy casualties. Russia must be obliged to commit WW2 efforts as part of this deal.
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posted on Feb, 14 2017 @ 10:31 AM
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Ukraine didn't refuse to give Crimea back when they became a state. Russia and Ukraine agreed that Crimea would remain part of Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine's nuclear stockpile.

I do agree that at this point Ukraine will probably not be getting Crimea back. Putin moved pretty quick to solidify his support on the peninsula while getting rid of those that opposed the annexation.

I think if Russia wants the rest of the world to acknowledge the annexation they're going to have to provide some serious compensation to Ukraine. Crimea was the most profitable part of the country and home to a large portion of their industry. Russia struck a large financial blow to Ukraine by illegally seizing Crimea and they should have to pay for those losses.



posted on Feb, 14 2017 @ 10:32 AM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

Crimea was disputed territory when the Budapest memorandum was signed in 1994. It was not included.



posted on Feb, 14 2017 @ 10:32 AM
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originally posted by: masterofuniverse
Crimea has several millions Russian citizens, 0 Ukrainian citizens. It had been a disputed territory since 1954. Khrushev assigned it from Russia to Ukraine by decree in 1954 in violation of the constitution of Russia and the constitution of the USSR. When Ukraine became a state in 1991, Ukraine should have gave Crimea back to Russia, which Ukraine refused to do.

There is no realistic way to return Crimea to Ukraine other than WW3.

So, what Donald Trump should do is strike a deal with Putin. Recognition of Crimea as Russian territory in exchange for Russia declaring war on Islamic jihadists in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia. Russia has so far refused to deploy ground forces in large numbers out of fear of heavy casualties. Russia must be obliged to commit WW2 efforts as part of this deal.

Crimea had a 'special status' in the Ukraine anyway, and as far as I understand it Donald is okay with the new status quo, all there is to do is make what he was considering a year ago, official....anyway Kissinger told him to make it official.

Aside all that, Sevastopol is home to the Russian fleet, and regardless of Crimea's economy or anything else, Putin/Russia will not allow any obstacle to their use of the port.
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posted on Feb, 14 2017 @ 10:39 AM
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a reply to: masterofuniverse

You should tell that to Sergey Lavrov then. It took him two years to come up with an excuse as to why the annexation of Crimea wasn't in violation of the Budapest Memorandum. He stated that it was because the only obligation included in the memorandum was that Russia not attack Ukraine with nukes. Of course this was a blatant lie as the memorandum contains six obligations.

So if Ukraine has no claim to Crimea why didn't he just say that instead of coming up with the worst excuse imaginable?



posted on Feb, 14 2017 @ 10:40 AM
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a reply to: smurfy

The Black Sea Fleet is stationed in Krasnodar Krai.



posted on Feb, 14 2017 @ 10:41 AM
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a reply to: masterofuniverse




So, what Donald Trump should do is strike a deal with Putin. Recognition of Crimea as Russian territory in exchange for Russia declaring war on Islamic jihadists in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia. Russia has so far refused to deploy ground forces in large numbers out of fear of heavy casualties. Russia must be obliged to commit WW2 efforts as part of this deal.
I am not Russia but don't really need to suggest to Putin to not take the deal ,because he wouldn't . So Kiev , are you feeling lucky Punk .



posted on Feb, 14 2017 @ 10:42 AM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

In 1994, Russia considered Crimea as a territory of Russia temporarily occupied by Ukraine. It's like the Republic of China considers mainland China to be temporarily occupied by Communists.



posted on Feb, 14 2017 @ 10:49 AM
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a reply to: masterofuniverse

Crimea was always part of Russia from imperial tsarist time's lasting a period of many hundreds of years until 1954 when a Soviet Premier transferred the region to Ukrainian control as Ukraine was then part of the soviet union (as wales is to England so the Ukraine was to Russia), note that not the Warsaw pact but the Soviet union which was regarded as a single country within the Warsaw pact and so this was actually little more than an administrative boundary change.

Of course Ukraine want's this traditionally Russian territory populated today by mainly Ethnic Russian's because it is very Oil Rich and for the same reason so too does the EU want it as it factors into several of there long term economic and energy plan's but in this case Russia was well within it's historical right to re-annex this territory which had been wrongly separated from there nation because of this administrative action from 1954 playing over into the independence of the Ukraine after the fall of the Soviet Union.

In this case the EU is in the wrong and so historically is the Ukraine.

However the Tatars may have a far stronger prior claim than either but then again like the rest of them they only stole the land from someone else, hey same story the world over but my point is that Ukraine laying claim to Crimea has less historical right than Russia and it was Nikita Khrushchev whom gave the Ukraine governance of Crimea in 1954.


Sorry to go over some of your point's again, I agree trump AND the EU should recognize it but it all depends upon the money men and how they want there puppet's to play.

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posted on Feb, 14 2017 @ 10:51 AM
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a reply to: masterofuniverse

Why is it that all of your options involve bloodshed and war?



posted on Feb, 14 2017 @ 10:57 AM
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I think that Russia should promise not to anex other parts of the Ukraine and stop supporting the rebels there in exchange they get Crimea and a little extra territory for the Rebels to settle in. Then Sanctions could be stopped.

Treat the middle eastern problem as a separate issue. We need to start working with Russia to rid the world of these radical Muslim organizations, it will be better for the Muslim nations too. They will have peace again in their countries.

We do not have to agree with Russia on a lot of things to make agreements with them on getting rid of the Musslim radicals that are terrorizing their own people.



posted on Feb, 14 2017 @ 10:59 AM
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a reply to: rickymouse

Putin promised not to annex more. Crimea is the only disputed territory between Ukraine and Russia, because of what Khrushev did in 1954.

As for supporting rebels, that's nobody's business.
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posted on Feb, 14 2017 @ 11:17 AM
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originally posted by: masterofuniverse
a reply to: rickymouse

Putin promised not to annex more. Crimea is the only disputed territory between Ukraine and Russia, because of what Khrushev did in 1954.

As for supporting rebels, that's nobody's business.


Evidently it is the US's business to do that. I do not think that policy is right and a senator is trying to introduce a bill stopping that practice. Even Hillary had a speech about stopping it that I saw when she was younger, but nothing was done about it.



posted on Feb, 14 2017 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: rickymouse

States back rebels everywhere. Kosovo and Montenegro out of Serbia. South Sudan out of Sudan. Saudi Arabia backing rebels in Syria and Iraq. Iran backing rebels in Yemen. It is not against international law to back rebels.



posted on Feb, 14 2017 @ 11:33 AM
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Didn't Crimea hold a referendum in 2014 after Ukraine's government was overthrown in a coup, which passed overwhelmingly?



posted on Feb, 14 2017 @ 11:41 AM
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a reply to: Konduit

Crimea is like 75% ethnic Russian it is overwhelmingly pro Russia. Only Crimean Tatars are pro Ukraine. Even ethnic Ukrainians in Crimea are pro Russia.



posted on Feb, 14 2017 @ 11:52 AM
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a reply to: masterofuniverse




Only Crimean Tatars are pro Ukraine.
and I am not sure all of them are .I wonder if all the Tatars left Crimea or is there a population still there ?



posted on Feb, 14 2017 @ 11:59 AM
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a reply to: Konduit

Get your facts straight. The Ukrainian government wasn't overthrown in a coup. The President was impeached by the democratically elected parliament. Even his own party voted against him.

As for the referendum, the official Russian position is that it was supported by the majority of the population. However, Russia's own Human Rights Council reported that only about 30% of the population and that only 50% of those people supported the referendum. So you have to ask yourself, if this annexation is completely legal why did Russia need to lie about the actual results? Why did they need fill the streets with armed soldiers and lie about their origin? Why did Putin need to threaten the use of nukes if anyone tried to retake the peninsula?

That doesn't sound like the actions of someone who knows their actions are just.



posted on Feb, 14 2017 @ 12:02 PM
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a reply to: the2ofusr1

Most of the Tatars have now left the peninsula along with the people opposed to the annexation. When Russia took over they stated that everyone on the peninsula was now a Russian citizen. If they didn't wish to become a Russian citizen they had to file paperwork. At which point they were then required to apply for a residency permit if they wished to remain on the peninsula. Among the many hoops people were forced to jump through to get a residency permit they were required to submit a full psych exam.

So most of the people opposed to the referendum, including most of the Tatars, just chose to leave.



posted on Feb, 14 2017 @ 12:12 PM
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a reply to: the2ofusr1

Very few left Crimea. In fact, when Crimea was in Ukraine they had no rights whereas now they have regional language rights. Go figure.



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