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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: veracity
The problem I have is my kid gloves are thin to non existent.
People like sugar, lots of sugar when talking politics. I offer lemons, they are ripe, but still lemons.
originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: olaru12
Well next time I should get the go ahead from you as to the title of the thread?
Is this what you are saying?
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: zosimov
a reply to: Breakthestreak
Hi there. Liberal here. What would you like to discuss? For one, I taught Saudi, UAE, Libyan students for years. While most were quite charming, warm (particularly Libya) I had many categorical disagreements with them. I think that their women should dress however they please (most chose to cover in class, some didn't. Shame is still a very effective weapon in their countries) should be able to drive, leave their homes on their own, leave their husbands if they wanted to.. etc.. However, I absolutely agree with freedom of religion within the US, so long as it doesn't interfere with the law.
Any questions so far?
Yes, I have to wonder ...
The amount of caterwauling about how dare you shame a woman over this, that or the other that goes on in this country ... to the point that women will dress up like sluts and proudly parade around acting like them or hook up and claim it is somehow empowering to act exactly like the free sex toys they claim men treat them as, etc.
And then turn around and sigh and shrug and say that shame is a powerful tool in those communities and not bat an eye over it or turn out in droves to combat it like they do in our society?
That somehow seems to me to be a powerful lot of cognitive dissonance especially the way feminists will turn out in droves to defend all things having to do with Islam, especially the importation of more of it so that it would actually be easier for Muslim communities to insulate and perpetuate that kind of societal shame you claim to abhor.
You do understand there are places in Europe where non-Muslim women now "choose" to cover up similar to Muslim women because it's just easier and safer for them?
originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
a reply to: kaylaluv
Tolerance is the key to the so called "progressives" true feelings.
You shouldn't tolerate anyone, you should accept them or not accept them.
The conceit of tolerating someone is a flawed concept.
originally posted by: JohnnyElohim
Right-wing extremist posts thread making a blanket claim which is prima facie false that all liberals are murderous. 25 pages of absurdity ensue. It's a sad thing and I'm afraid a fruitless thing to be a person of thought and nuance in this sea of hatred, selective ignorance, of tribal grooming. ATS is functionally owned by people just this side of Stormfront and so it will always be, as this is how people in editorial positions want it to be. I stop by every now and again these days to remind myself what it looks like to see a bunch of fascists stroking each other's ego in the proverbial bath house.