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Mexican Citizen Sentenced To 8 Years In Prison For Voter Fraud

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posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 08:54 AM
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Looks like an example is being set for voter fraud. It will be an interesting few years if there is actually an effort to go find the fraudsters and charge them.

dfw.cbslocal.com...




He points out his niece has spent almost her entire life in the U.S. Her attorney said she has a learning disability and was confused about the difference between being a citizen and a legal resident, so she thought she was allowed to vote.

“The jury didn’t believe that story. They believed that the defendant knew exactly what she was doing, and they responded accordingly,” Prosecutor Jonathan White said.

White told CBS11, when Ortega tried to register to vote in Tarrant County, she admitted she was not a citizen, so her application was rejected. When she told them she had already been voting in Dallas County, that’s when investigators started looking into her case. Defense attorney Clark Bidsall said his client’s case has been politicized and now Ortega has a difficult road ahead even after her sentence.

“Once she gets out of prison and she’s deported, does she bring her four minor children to Mexico? As a mother I think that would be a difficult choice for her,” Birdsall said.

“It’s going to be a big impact for them because now they’re going to have to go over there to visit their momma,” Felipe Ortega added.

Prosecutors said whether this case prompts elections officials to verify citizenship is an issue for the legislature. CBS11 asked Dallas elections officials to comment on the case, but they have not gotten back to us.

The jury also gave Ortega a $5,000 fine.





posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 08:57 AM
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a reply to: infolurker

Looks like a case of the law punishing someone for being ignorant of the law instead of malicious voter fraud. Of course the law clearly states that ignorance of the law is no excuse; I'm just saying this so people don't look at this lady's case as confirmation of Trump's voter fraud claims.


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posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 09:00 AM
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Second paragraph buddy:

"They believed that the defendant knew exactly what she was doing, and they responded accordingly,” Prosecutor Jonathan White said."


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posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 09:01 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Appears the jury didn't believe she didn't know since she admitted she wasn't a citizen, then said she was voting in another district, then tried the use the defense that she didn't know she wasn't a citizen after admitting she did know she was not a citizen.

Bad defense tactic.



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 09:01 AM
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8 years and 5,000 dollar fine?

But rapists and murders only get 5 or less. ( yes do a search for each, 5 years for physical violence some people get and this women gets 8 years for voting wrong? )

IMO, this isn't even voter fraud, it's ONE vote, she should maybe be fined and spend a month in jail at best with some PBJ.

But ONLY after she was given a psych evaluation to determine if she really is mentally handicapped.

I don't know about you all, but being on trial and having the " public juries " basically decide my fate is not very comforting in today's IDIOCRACY minded world.

Whether you're trying to make a point or punish someone doing something illegal, the time must fit the crime.

This is akin to getting 10+ years in jail for HAVING weed not even selling it. ( Yes look it up, one person got 10 years for having 31 grams?!?!?! )


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posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 09:02 AM
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So apparently, she found out the Hillary defense doesn't work in a legitimate court proceeding?

Edit add: in regards to this case, did their investigation of her prior voting in Dallas discover how she was able to vote and not be rejected as she was in Tarrant County?
edit on 2 10 2017 by CynConcepts because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 09:03 AM
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a reply to: infolurker

Well as a non-citizen maybe she didn't know the best way to explain herself? Got any evidence that she was doing this maliciously beyond the jury's opinion? I notice this case is in Texas; did you consider that may have had some sway over the jury's opinions?



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 09:06 AM
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a reply to: CynConcepts

No imagine that, must be that white privilege that is all the rage with liberals these days.
edit on 10-2-2017 by avgguy because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 09:08 AM
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Sad, now go home.



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 09:09 AM
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Im against voter fraud and illegal aliens but that sentence is absurd. 8 years?



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 09:11 AM
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originally posted by: Edumakated
Im against voter fraud and illegal aliens but that sentence is absurd. 8 years?



It does seem extreme, but perhaps it is simply her misfortune to be the first, and an extreme example is being set to deter future illegals voting?


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posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 09:12 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: infolurker

Looks like a case of the law punishing someone for being ignorant of the law instead of malicious voter fraud. Of course the law clearly states that ignorance of the law is no excuse; I'm just saying this so people don't look at this lady's case as confirmation of Trump's voter fraud claims.

So what is the difference legally between malicious voter fraud and voter fraud?

How many of these will it take before you have "confirmation of Trump's voter fraud claims."?
We know this goes on. How many have to get caught before you think this is an actual problem?



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 09:14 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: infolurker

Looks like a case of the law punishing someone for being ignorant of the law instead of malicious voter fraud. Of course the law clearly states that ignorance of the law is no excuse; I'm just saying this so people don't look at this lady's case as confirmation of Trump's voter fraud claims.


In the case of voter fraud, ignorance of the law is actually a valid defense.

It's just annoying how Hillary could play dumb and not even be charged, but peons don't get the same benefit of the doubt.

Still, I am glad she was prosecuted, although the prison time seems very excessive.


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posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 09:14 AM
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originally posted by: Edumakated
Im against voter fraud and illegal aliens but that sentence is absurd. 8 years?



As a local, my perspective is more informed as it has been at the center of local news coverage...

The prosecution and judge tried and tried to get her to acknowledge what she had done..

She proceeded to bring in medical experts(on the taxpayers dime) to say she was mentally disabled when she clearly wasn't…

She refused to own up to what she had done and wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars in court time not to mention her unwillingness to acknowledge what she had done…

Prior to sentencing, the judge gave her multiple opportunities to admit what she had done was wrong and pleaded(pun intended) with her to simply admit she was wrong…

She had already been found guilty and needed only to acknowledge her wrongdoing to receive the requisite slap on the wrist…

It was her arrogance and unwillingness to admit she had done anything wrong and continue to lie to the court which caused the inflated sentence…

-Chris
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posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 09:15 AM
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Well as a non-citizen maybe she didn't know the best way to explain herself?

That might be a reason to learn the language of a country that you decide to live in illegally?
Hell, it might be a good reason to learn the language if you decide to live in a country legally.



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 09:17 AM
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I think it was that much because she had been voting her whole life.



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 09:17 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: infolurker

Looks like a case of the law punishing someone for being ignorant of the law instead of malicious voter fraud. Of course the law clearly states that ignorance of the law is no excuse; I'm just saying this so people don't look at this lady's case as confirmation of Trump's voter fraud claims.

So what is the difference legally between malicious voter fraud and voter fraud?

Intention.


How many of these will it take before you have "confirmation of Trump's voter fraud claims."?

3 million.

We know this goes on. How many have to get caught before you think this is an actual problem?

The claim was 3 million.



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 09:18 AM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Krazysh0t




Well as a non-citizen maybe she didn't know the best way to explain herself?

That might be a reason to learn the language of a country that you decide to live in illegally?
Hell, it might be a good reason to learn the language if you decide to live in a country legally.

Have you ever attempted to learn a language? It isn't easy. It also isn't a requirement to live in another country.



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 09:18 AM
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This person is lucky.

It sure beats having his right hand chopped off.

eta: I doubt the full 8 yr sentence will be handed out, more like 4 for good behaviour.
edit on 10-2-2017 by LuXTeN because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 09:21 AM
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The DNC / liberal donor types will surely be flocking to fund her having top notch criminal defense, thereby Passive Regressively defending election fraud.




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