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El Nino Has An Uncle (El Tio) That Could Send Global Warming Into Overdrive

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posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 10:23 AM
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a reply to: Phage

No, just asking for honest data my friend. I was a complete denier for a while, and your threads have made me look into it. I think the issue with the man-made side of climate change lies not in the air, but rather the oceans. Water determines our climate, whether we like to admit it or not. EVERYTHING is affected by the oceans. I haven't found any trends leading to oceanic issues other than that whole fukushima thing, which (IMO) is a lot worse than anything we are doing in emissions.




posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 10:25 AM
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So looking at the graph we're up maybe one degree. What would "over-drive" be? Or is that already "over-drive"?



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 10:34 AM
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a reply to: jjkenobi

Temperature-wise? Nothing. Polar caps will still remain. Coastal areas might be set back a few yards/meters. Climate will be more plant friendly. Bugs will probably get bigger (that's a negative). Overall? Nothing. Unless oceanic conditions change that is, but there is zero data showing they will.



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 10:38 AM
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I haven't found any trends leading to oceanic issues other than that whole fukushima thing, which (IMO) is a lot worse than anything we are doing in emissions.

www.nodc.noaa.gov...
www.pmel.noaa.gov...
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posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 10:39 AM
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Polar caps will still remain.

Are you sure?
nsidc.org...



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 10:44 AM
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a reply to: Phage

So it's warming, but not changing a bit in pH levels?

So earth might become a bit more tropical?



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 10:48 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99




Polar caps will still remain.

Are you sure?
nsidc.org...

I'm going with yes. They might decrease though
Updated NASA Data: Global Warming Not Causing Any Polar Ice Retreat



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 10:51 AM
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a reply to: Vector99

Your source is not accurate.
nsidc.org...
nsidc.org...
www.climate.gov...
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posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 10:56 AM
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a reply to: Phage

C'mon phage, you should know better than to link me SEA ICE charts. How about some land ice charts?



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 10:57 AM
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Polar caps will still remain.
Do you think the Arctic Ocean is land? Do you think there is a continent at the north pole?



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 11:05 AM
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a reply to: Phage

Is there only one polar cap?

Seems the southern one is thriving.

sea ice
Yes, I read, and while sea ice may be melting, the actual caps are not.
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posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 11:42 AM
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a reply to: Skywatcher2011

Like most things when it comes to cyclical weather patterns, there's no reason to get all in a tizzy over it.

It's good information to know, and it's a nice thing to remind all of the alarmists that nature has ALWAYS had a mechanism to balance itself out--generally a cyclical pattern, as nothing ever stays the same (hence the reason I chuckle every time something is compared to "the normal" this or that--but I would argue that, like most things turned into hyperbole and alarmism, this is nothing to worry about and has been happening ever since there were oceans on this planet.

And to increase your faith in some of us, I'm known about the IPO for a long time.



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 12:02 PM
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a reply to: Vector99

Yes. The Antarctic glacial ice cap will remain for quite some time. I don't think it has been claimed otherwise. But it doesn't have to go away entirely to be problematic.
Meanwhile:
climate.nasa.gov...
www.climate.gov...
www.eea.europa.eu...
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posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 04:34 PM
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Both Pacific and Atlantic oscillations have their warm and cool phases and if I remember correctly they aren't on a matching scale so you can overlapping warm phases and overlapping cool phases but more often you have some combination of warm/cool. And depending on what you have between then, it impacts what the weather patterns will be.

Labeling a warm Pacific oscillation like this is just a tactic to fear monger since most folks have likely never been exposed to the concept of ENSO or PDO either one.



As you can see, we haven't actually been in a cool PDO for that long according to this. In the cool PDO, the El Ninos like last year appear as the isolated orange peaks in the blue valley while in a warm PDO, you get La Nina as the isolated cool valleys.
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posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 04:39 PM
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Yeah. The headline doesn't exactly match the article.

Several recent studies have shown that the IPO phases, El Tío and La Tía, have a temporary warming and cooling influence on the planet.

www.sciencealert.com...
Go figure.



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