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What did Allah ever suffer. Was his prophet ever crucified, publicly shamed, or beaten?

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posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 02:51 PM
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a reply to: mikegrouchy

So are you saying between Allah and Yahweh (let's think of them as concepts to separate out their being the same Being) - as omnipotent Beings, only Yahweh understands the concept of mercy, because Allah's prophet didn't go through extreme suffering?

I'm trying to understand your thinking on this. I get what you're saying, but it only makes sense if you believe they are not the same God, and you believe that Mohammed was Allah's "Son of God" (equivalent to Yahweh's Jesus.) AND, in both cases, you have to then believe that the Ultimate Supreme Being, Creator of All, only understands concepts learned via lessons whilst embodying an Earthly vessel.

It seems as though you're confused, as well as diminishing God's omnipotence / omniscience.

Incidentally, I'm a Christian who doesn't think the Old Testament God is the same God as the New Testament. Or, at the very least, he took a handful of divine chill pills.




posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 03:01 PM
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a reply to: dogstar23


Incidentally, I'm a Christian who doesn't think the Old Testament God is the same God as the New Testament. Or, at the very least, he took a handful of divine chill pills.


LOL...

I assume you've never told a pastor this info... he'd start flickin holy water at ya




posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 03:52 PM
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originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: dogstar23


Incidentally, I'm a Christian who doesn't think the Old Testament God is the same God as the New Testament. Or, at the very least, he took a handful of divine chill pills.


LOL...

I assume you've never told a pastor this info... he'd start flickin holy water at ya



Nah, I just go with the flow when it comes to church. They don't need to know I toss out the parts that don't resonate with me
I like the community aircraft, I don't need nuns chasing me with sharpened rulers!!



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 05:20 PM
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originally posted by: mikegrouchy

If they are the same, then what does Allah know about suffering?


Mike Grouchy


Why does the creator of all need to suffer?



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 06:03 PM
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originally posted by: Sahabi
a reply to: mikegrouchy

I am not a proponent of Islam, I am simply here to answer the question of the OP.

While Muhammad was still preaching non-violence in Mecca before his decline into blood-thirst and totalitarianism in Medina,...


One day a number of Quraish gave the uterus of a sheep to their servants to throw at the blessed face and head of Muhammad, The Messenger of Allah (SWT). They obeyed their brutal master, thus making Muhammad, The Messenger of Allah (SWT) rather sad.

Another day they threw camel's guts on him while he was prostrating in prayer. Muhammad, The Messenger of Allah (SWT) remained in prostration, perhaps waiting for one of the Muslims to pass by and take the dirt off his back. His daughter Fatima al-Zahra (sa) was walking by when she saw him. With tears in her eyes, she removed the dirt from his back. He said to her, "Don't cry my daughter, the Almighty Allah (SWT) will honour His religion and grant your father victory."


• During the early beginnings of Islam when Muhammad was still preaching pacifism, many Muslims were physically attacked, tortured, and martyred.

• The Meccan pagans launched a 3 year economic and social boycott against the Muslims. Muhammad and his followers were driven out of the city and into a small valley. Here, they suffered extreme hardship, discomfort, isolation, and starvation.

• Muhammad suffered severe pain, fever, and weakness for several days before he finally died. It is believed that he may have been poisoned.



Thank you very much Sahabi,
this is exactly what I was looking for.
A clear look at what Allah may have suffered, suffers, is suffering.




From your link I looked up the full Surah.




"And Allah presents an example: a city which was safe and secure, its provision coming to it in abundance from every location, but it denied the favors of Allah . So Allah made it taste the envelopment of hunger and fear for what they had been doing."
-Qur'an Surah An-Naḥl 16:112


The verb before the pink part of the quote above is "made."



So far the answer to the question
"what does Allah know of
suffering", is "Allah made suffering".



As stated in his own Surah, in his own example.


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posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 07:55 PM
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Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are various amalgamations of zoroastrianism, egyptian mythology, and paganism. Zoroastrianism has two gods, which in the Abrahamic religions tend to mix and match the qualities of the two gods into one, while at the same time differentiating the second god or evil one as a distinct being (shaitain, satan, samael). Also, there are texts that refer to differing egyptian deities, at times book of psalms give god qualities of peace and harmony, while other times blood and vengeance; depending on which pharaoh was in power and which god he embodied at the time.

So, everybody is right, except everybody is wrong, it just depends on which text you are referring to at the time of the argument.

I'll stick to the verses of god creating man in his image, meaning man is a reflection of god (good and evil, perfect and imperfect).

Shai-Hulud has spoken.



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 12:01 AM
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originally posted by: Syphone
If you know anything about Allah, you will also know it FREE you from the suffering.


Bit like the wife who doesn't talk back to her husband and is therefore free from getting a slap.

Submission. That is not freedom from suffering, it is forced acceptance under penalty of suffering.



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 02:00 AM
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a reply to: mikegrouchy

1. Why is "suffering" a prerequisite for mercy? I think that's a flawed perspective. I can show forgiveness and/or mercy to a puppy for pooping on my shoe simply because I think it's cute, harmless, or had no foul intentions. Suffering has nothing to do with it. Besides, I can't speak for your religion, but in Islam, God is Omniscient and Omnipotent. The limitations & conditions you're placing on Him are laughably absurd to us.

2. Allah is merciful. In fact, one of His names translates into "The Merciful" (Al-Raheem/Al-Rahim). This is literally mentioned in the very first line of the Qur'an (and the 3rd line), which makes it glaringly obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about here (Surah 1:1, Pickthall translation). The Qur'an is also full of instances where He shows mercy and speaks of mercy, so you're simply wrong on this point. And even outside of the Qur'an, Allah has shown me far more mercy in life than I deserve, which further obliterates your "point".

3. The Prophet Jesus is one of the 4 most revered Prophets in Islam. We believe he was given the Holy Gospels & was allowed to perform many miracles in the name of God. Not only does the Qur'an speak very highly of him, but it even speaks incredibly highly of his mother Mariam. In fact, one of the 114 Surahs of the Qur'an is named after her (Surah 19 Al-Mariam). ETA: for the record, "Mary" is not her name. In Aramaic, the language of their region at the time, her name was "Mariam". And in Hebrew it's translated as "Miriam". Arabic is a Semitic language like Aramaic and Hebrew, hence her name being Mariam/Maryam.

The fact that you don't even know this shows your ignorance on the subject. And ironically, Muslims even greet each other the same way the Prophet Jesus greeted people in the Bible. "Assalamu alaikum" means "peace be with you/peace be unto you", which is the same thing the Prophet Jesus says in John 20-21 & Luke 24:36. LOL
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posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 03:00 AM
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originally posted by: mikegrouchy
What did Allah ever suffer. Was his prophet ever crucified, publicly shamed, or beaten?

The silly religious myths/beliefs aside, God is Omni-!
That means that God is One, ALL inclusive!
That means that we are all God!
That means that God Knows everything that anyone ever experiences/knows!
That means That an Omni-God Knows everything, Omni-everything, ever!
So, no matter what you are looking at; a rock, an Allah, a Jehovah, a Krsna, a Trump, a moon... all are God!
That means that the One God Knows 'suffering' (and everything else) by our suffering (and experiences)!

"God cannot know himself without me." - Meister Eckhart

"The eye by which I see God is the same as the eye by which God sees me. My eye and God's eye are one and the same." - Meister Eckhart

tat tvam asi (en.wikipedia.org...)



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posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 03:42 AM
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originally posted by: mikegrouchy
What did Allah ever suffer.


I don't think God CAN suffer.



Was his prophet ever crucified, publicly shamed, or beaten?
Allah knows nothing of suffering, and thus knows nothing of mercy.


Many of God's Prophets suffered, Isaiah was sawed in half, Jesus beaten, and Mohammed endured many hardships as you've been told by a former Muslim.

Allah is God, the God of every Prophet with the last being Mohammed. If you actually read the Qur'an you'd realize that Abraham, Moses, JTB, and Jesus as well as many Biblical Prophets are revered in it.

So your assumption that Jesus is not the Prophet of God/Allah (in Arabic Christianity even) is either from ignorance or hate.

Every scholar of religion KNOWS this.

Why don't you?

God is Mercy and Judgement, God knows EVERYTHING of Mercy.

Jesus didn't suffer and wasn't crucified according to the Qur'an, Judas was, it was a trick to fool those TRYING TO MAKE Jesus suffer.

Why is it necessary that people suffer, are you some sort of sadist?

That's Mercy, NOT letting Jesus suffer IS MERCIFUL. You just hate God or something.








This man converted away from Islam to Christianity.
For Muslims he has this message.
    "Can a human being become God."
    "Of course never. No human being can become God."
    "But."
    "I believed even as a muslim in an all mighty God."
    "The Great God, that can do anything and everything."
    "But can he, the Great God, the All Mighty God, become a man. Show himself in the body of a man?"
    "Yes he can."


So one guy allegedly believes God can become a man.

So?

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posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 04:02 AM
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originally posted by: GodEmperor
Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are various amalgamations of zoroastrianism, egyptian mythology, and paganism. Zoroastrianism has two gods,


A huge over simplification on your part with no explanation or comparison, I have to deduce you heard this but know little about the sources of Judaism (Canaanite religion, Chaldean THEN Persian, little Egyptian tbh).

Zoroastrianism is a reaction to Brahmanism, the daevas of the Brahmans became the evil spirits of Mazdaism. Angelology is the biggest thing Judaism got from Mazdaism.

Mazdaism is monotheistic, which is another influence on Judaism though they are non dualistic monotheistic.

Islam is the LEAST pagan religion on earth and the only holdover from pagan Arabia is the Kaaba, but Islam is no pagan amalgamation, more a purist monotheism in reaction to the paganization of Roman Christianity and Arabia.

Even what it "borrowed" from Judaism was pure Monotheism.

Ahriman is NOT a god, he is the leader of the evil spirits, the archetype of the Christian Satan (not Jewish though, not today at least), the enemy of Ahura Mazda.

But he is not a god, modern Parsees don't believe in the literal existence of Ahriman and only as a concept do they believe in him, that concept being evil desire.

Jewish Samael, chief of Satans, still works for God in Judaism.



which in the Abrahamic religions tend to mix and match the qualities of the two gods into one, while at the same time differentiating the second god or evil one as a distinct being (shaitain, satan, samael). Also, there are texts that refer to differing egyptian deities, at times book of psalms give god qualities of peace and harmony, while other times blood and vengeance; depending on which pharaoh was in power and which god he embodied at the time.

So, everybody is right, except everybody is wrong, it just depends on which text you are referring to at the time of the argument.

I'll stick to the verses of god creating man in his image, meaning man is a reflection of god (good and evil, perfect and imperfect).

Shai-Hulud has spoken.


Syncretism is a good thing, combining wisdom with wisdom while excising the nonsensical is good.

The Qur'an does a good job of this.



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 04:07 AM
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What did Allah ever suffer. Was his prophet ever crucified, publicly shamed, or beaten? Allah knows nothing of suffering, and thus knows nothing of mercy.


I am a Christian, but I have to ask, are you implying that God lacked the knowledge of mercy before he became incarnate in Jesus? In order for this question to hold weight you would have to say yes, but generally speaking Christians don't believe that.



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 04:25 AM
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originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: mikegrouchy



What did Allah ever suffer. Was his prophet ever crucified, publicly shamed, or beaten? Allah knows nothing of suffering, and thus knows nothing of mercy.


I am a Christian, but I have to ask, are you implying that God lacked the knowledge of mercy before he became incarnate in Jesus? In order for this question to hold weight you would have to say yes, but generally speaking Christians don't believe that.


Actually, as is obvious, the OP is not aware that 3 religions who revere Abraham as their patriarch, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, share the same basic beliefs and the EXACT same God.

He seems to think that Allah is an English word for a different god or something, not realizing it is just the Arabic word equivalent of God, used by Arabic speaking Christians as well.

How someone could not know that the Abrahamic religions worshipping the same God is a fact recognized by all honest theologians and scholars is beyond me.

The other alternative is he thinks he can rescind the God given right all mankind has to worship Him in the case of Muslims and is powerful enough to enact it.

1.5 billion Abrahamic revering, Jesus loving Muslims might take issue with being told that their God is not the same as Christians or Jews.

And many Jews and Christians would call him radicalized. We all know that the 3 religions have the same God, so I feel secure this person is radicalized.
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posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 04:34 AM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: mikegrouchy

1. Why is "suffering" a prerequisite for mercy? I think that's a flawed perspective. I can show forgiveness and/or mercy to a puppy for pooping on my shoe simply because I think it's cute, harmless, or had no foul intentions. Suffering has nothing to do with it. Besides, I can't speak for your religion, but in Islam, God is Omniscient and Omnipotent. The limitations & conditions you're placing on Him are laughably absurd to us.

2. Allah is merciful. In fact, one of His names translates into "The Merciful" (Al-Raheem/Al-Rahim). This is literally mentioned in the very first line of the Qur'an (and the 3rd line), which makes it glaringly obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about here (Surah 1:1, Pickthall translation). The Qur'an is also full of instances where He shows mercy and speaks of mercy, so you're simply wrong on this point. And even outside of the Qur'an, Allah has shown me far more mercy in life than I deserve, which further obliterates your "point".

3. The Prophet Jesus is one of the 4 most revered Prophets in Islam. We believe he was given the Holy Gospels & was allowed to perform many miracles in the name of God. Not only does the Qur'an speak very highly of him, but it even speaks incredibly highly of his mother Mariam. In fact, one of the 114 Surahs of the Qur'an is named after her (Surah 19 Al-Mariam). ETA: for the record, "Mary" is not her name. In Aramaic, the language of their region at the time, her name was "Mariam". And in Hebrew it's translated as "Miriam". Arabic is a Semitic language like Aramaic and Hebrew, hence her name being Mariam/Maryam.

The fact that you don't even know this shows your ignorance on the subject. And ironically, Muslims even greet each other the same way the Prophet Jesus greeted people in the Bible. "Assalamu alaikum" means "peace be with you/peace be unto you", which is the same thing the Prophet Jesus says in John 20-21 & Luke 24:36. LOL


I couldn't say it any better myself.



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 04:40 AM
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originally posted by: savemebarry

originally posted by: Syphone
If you know anything about Allah, you will also know it FREE you from the suffering.


Bit like the wife who doesn't talk back to her husband and is therefore free from getting a slap.

Submission. That is not freedom from suffering, it is forced acceptance under penalty of suffering.



If you submit to man's will, yes.

But not our Creator. The act of submitting to God does actually bring peace.

First you have to know God. Your understanding of submission is something that occurs through force.

Where as submitting to God is a free will choice.

One I am happy to make, Gnostic that I am.



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 05:10 AM
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originally posted by: AboveBoard

originally posted by: mikegrouchy

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: mikegrouchy

Technically, according to Islam, Allah is the same God as the God of Abraham, and therefore, the same God of the Old and New Testaments. He is the same God as the Jewish people and Christian people worship.

So, technically, the answer is "yes."

Now, I know that Christians don't consider Jesus a Prophet but a Third of the Godhead so it gets dicey when you dig into the Tri-Personage theology of Christianity versus the Islamic interpretation but again, if you ask a Muslim, their God and Christian's God and Jewish people's God are all One God.

Sort of like if you ask a Christian if their God is the same one as in the Old Testsment, they will say "yes."

If you ask a Jewish person if the Christian God is the same one as their God, you'd get a different answer.





^This. This is exactly what the Democrats in the Article are doing. Creating a false moral equivalency through a specially crafted narrative. Don't fall for it.

If they are the same, then what does Allah know about suffering?


Mike Grouchy


The only one's with a "specially crafted narrative" is your own source, for Goodness sake!!

Seriously, MikeG, they are the ones twisting everything around. I've studied world religions long before the current "theory" your sources are presenting about a "radical left interpretation" and it has ALWAYS been this way, since forever.

You may not LIKE what I'm saying, but it is the simple truth.

Here:

According to the Islamic statement of witness, or shahada, “There is no god but Allah”. Muslims believe he created the world in six days and sent prophets such as Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus, and lastly Muhammad, who called people to worship only him, rejecting idolatry and polytheism.

The word islam, which means submission, was not at first the name of a religion founded by Muhammad. It referred, rather, to the original religion of all mankind – and even of the universe itself which, like us, was created to serve Allah.

Earlier prophets and their followers were all Muslims (submitters to Allah), though Muslims do tend to conflate the general and specific meanings of the words Islam and Muslim.

Some prophets received scriptures from Allah, notably the Torah of Moses, the Psalms of David, and the Gospel of Jesus. Their messages and books, however, became corrupted or were lost.

Miraculously, the Qur’an (“recitation”) revealed to Muhammad – the very word of Allah – will not suffer this fate, so there is no need for further prophets or revelations.
Link - Who Is Allah? Understanding God in Islam

Also...


The most concise definition of God in Islam is given in the four verses of Surah Ikhlas which is Chapter 112 of the Qur’an:

"Say: He is Allah,
The One and Only.
"Allah, the Eternal, Absolute.
"He begets not, nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him."
[Al-Qur’an 112:1-4]

The word ‘Assamad’ is difficult to translate. It means ‘absolute existence’, which can be attributed only to Allah (swt), all other existence being temporal or conditional. It also means that Allah (swt) is not dependant on any person or thing, but all persons and things are dependant on Him.
Islam 101 - Concept of God in Islam

And...


Abrahamic religions, emphasizing and tracing their common origin to the tribal patriarch Abraham[1] or recognizing a spiritual tradition identified with him, are one of the major divisions in comparative religion (along with Indian,[2] Iranian, and East Asian religions[2]). Judaism, Christianity and Islam are the largest Abrahamic religions in terms of numbers of adherents.[3][4][5]

The major Abrahamic religions in chronological order of founding are:

Judaism (seventh century BCE),[6]
Christianity (first century CE)
Islam (seventh century CE)
LINK - Abrahamic religions - Wiki

^^^ NOT saying I personally believe in this, by the way, I'm just presenting facts.


Jewish people don't see the "Christian Three-Part God" as being Yahweh / Jehovah. They respect Jesus as a human Rabbi, generally speaking, but they do not elevate him to the status of Godhood.

Christians see Jehovah and the Jewish tradition as being fulfilled within their own religion, Christianity. They think the Christian God is the same as Yahweh/Jehovah of the Talmud, and that the Jewish religion is fulfilled in their own. Since they feel that nothing can be higher than Christ, anything after him that is not their interpretation of God's Second Coming must be a false prophet. Thus, Christians do NOT believe that "Allah" and "Jehovah and Yahweh and the Tri-Part God of Christianity" are one and the same.


Actually, Catholicism has always acknowledged that Muslims believe in the same God, even if they aren't Trinitarian they still honor all the Prophets and Jesus as Messiah, and even when warring it was not because of God but money and power, like all wars.

Radicalized Christianity doesn't acknowledge the facts of life, they give Judaism the benefit of the doubt while having offensive material about Christ in the Talmud that they worship Yahweh.

But the Muslims who honor Jesus do not get the same respect.

Not ALL Christians fall into this category, but most do.

Catholicism and Unitarianism are exceptions, and other and many decent members of Christianity also see Muslims as brothers and sisters.

The rest is hypocrisy, cowardice, and hate against Muslims.



Muslims see the God of the Christians and the God of the Jewish people as being the same, one God of their own religion, and that their Prophet is the fulfillment and "final word" from God to all the world. They also see Jesus as a prophet or Messenger of God, and not as God Himself.

It is a matter of perspective. If you are ensconced in Christian views that claim the Three-Personed God, you will absolutely NOT agree with the Muslim view that they too follow the same God of Abraham. I get that. This is your position as a Christian. I would not expect anything less of you. However, in the world at large, it is important to understand how other people see things.

Does the Jewish viewpoint that Jesus isn't God make your concept that the Jewish Tradition is fulfilled in Christ any less true for you??

If you don't have "skin in the game" with a particular doctrine, then, technically, my first response to you in the post above is correct. All three religions have at their roots the Abrahamic Tradition.


It matters not what Christians think, the truth is all that matters and a Christian who doesn't view Muslims as brothers and sisters is not a disciple of Christ but of Paul.

Therein lies the difference. Paul was a liar, his followers are too. Always have been.

Generally speaking, not universally.

Good insight you have though.



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 06:50 AM
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Actually, as is obvious, the OP is not aware that 3 religions who revere Abraham as their patriarch, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, share the same basic beliefs and the EXACT same God.


They are all Abrahamic faiths, but you cannot say they believe in the exact same God as they attribute different fundamental attributes to the being, although they share quite a few of those as well. For example, the triune nature of God is considered heresy in Islam, because Muslims recognize that a being with such a nature would not be the type of being they are referring to when they say "Allah". They aren't the identical concepts from a logical stand point.




How someone could not know that the Abrahamic religions worshipping the same God is a fact recognized by all honest theologians and scholars is beyond me.


They all recognize that they are Abrahamic religions, but as I said above, the fundamental attributes of the Islamic God and the Biblical God are very different.




1.5 billion Abrahamic revering, Jesus loving Muslims might take issue with being told that their God is not the same as Christians or Jews.


www.pewresearch.org...



a Pew Research Center survey of Muslims in 39 countries asked Muslims whether they want sharia law, a legal code based on the Quran and other Islamic scripture, to be the official law of the land in their country.


Most Muslims in Afghanistan (99%), Iraq (91%), Pakistan (84%), Indonesia(72%), Egypt(74%), Thailand(77%), Malaysia(86%), Bangladesh(82%), Morocco(83%). Niger(86%), Palestinian territories(89%) support sharia law as official law just to name a few of them..

Run the numbers and you'll find that more that half of the muslim population believes that I should be killed if I refuse a tax. More than half the muslim population believes that I should go to jail for sharing my faith. More than half the muslim population believe my life is worth 2/3 to a 1/2 as much as a muslim life. For atheist it is even worse, they believe atheist are only 1/15th of a muslim's life. So I don't think you can quite say they are Jesus loving muslims. Or that homosexuals should be killed the list of atrocious moral beliefs in a Sharia go on and on on. Yet most muslims are advocates of this. So not sure we can call them Jesus loving but...



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 06:56 AM
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Seems like all religion are full of lies.



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 07:13 AM
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I feel this question is very much like the question "My Jesus died for my sins, did your prophet die for yours??"

Trying to feel good about one's own religion by seeing all others through same concepts as one's own religion and feeling all mushy and happy inside that none is as great as mine!!!



posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 08:09 AM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: mikegrouchy

1. Why is "suffering" a prerequisite for mercy? I think that's a flawed perspective. I can show forgiveness and/or mercy to a puppy for pooping on my shoe simply because I think it's cute, harmless, or had no foul intentions. Suffering has nothing to do with it. Besides, I can't speak for your religion, but in Islam, God is Omniscient and Omnipotent. The limitations & conditions you're placing on Him are laughably absurd to us.

2. Allah is merciful. In fact, one of His names translates into "The Merciful" (Al-Raheem/Al-Rahim). This is literally mentioned in the very first line of the Qur'an (and the 3rd line), which makes it glaringly obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about here (Surah 1:1, Pickthall translation). The Qur'an is also full of instances where He shows mercy and speaks of mercy, so you're simply wrong on this point. And even outside of the Qur'an, Allah has shown me far more mercy in life than I deserve, which further obliterates your "point".

3. The Prophet Jesus is one of the 4 most revered Prophets in Islam. We believe he was given the Holy Gospels & was allowed to perform many miracles in the name of God. Not only does the Qur'an speak very highly of him, but it even speaks incredibly highly of his mother Mariam. In fact, one of the 114 Surahs of the Qur'an is named after her (Surah 19 Al-Mariam). ETA: for the record, "Mary" is not her name. In Aramaic, the language of their region at the time, her name was "Mariam". And in Hebrew it's translated as "Miriam". Arabic is a Semitic language like Aramaic and Hebrew, hence her name being Mariam/Maryam.

The fact that you don't even know this shows your ignorance on the subject. And ironically, Muslims even greet each other the same way the Prophet Jesus greeted people in the Bible. "Assalamu alaikum" means "peace be with you/peace be unto you", which is the same thing the Prophet Jesus says in John 20-21 & Luke 24:36. LOL


Facinating enlightenedservant thank you for the three points, and summary.

First:, the question is about Allah, and the answers given are about Islam. Not the same thing. So I can understand why you "think it's a flawed premise".

Second: "Allah is merciful" is testimony and not a first person statement. The author of the Qur'an is testifying. This does not tell us what Allah actually knows about suffering.

Third: This entire paragraph about the reverence of prophets states that the reverence is in Islam. Does Allah revere those same prophets, does Allah know about suffering through Jesus, or from himself?



And the conclusion given: Is, in your own words, about Muslims. Fine. But the question remains. What does Allah know about suffering? You have given a real set of answers. But they are answers about Muslims.
The question is what does Allah know about suffering?








So far, this remains the only answer we have.


"And Allah presents an example: a city which was safe and secure, its provision coming to it in abundance from every location, but it denied the favors of Allah . So Allah made it taste the envelopment of hunger and fear for what they had been doing."
-Qur'an Surah An-Naḥl 16:112


The verb before the pink part of the quote above is "made."



So far the answer to the question
"what does Allah know of
suffering", is "Allah made suffering".



As stated in his own Surah, in his own example.


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