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Kristol: It's the white working classes fault because they've become decadent, lazy and spoiled.

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posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: DrStevenBrule

Now that's a loaded question...




posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 11:58 AM
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originally posted by: introvert
I think you have to take everything he said in full-context:


You can make a case that America has been great because every—I think John Adams said this—basically if you’re a free society, a capitalist society, after two or three generations of hard work everyone becomes kind of decadent, lazy, spoiled—whatever. Then, luckily, you have these waves of people coming in from Italy, Ireland, Russia, and now Mexico, who really want to work hard and really want to succeed and really want their kids to live better lives than them and aren’t sort of clipping coupons or hoping that they can hang on and meanwhile grew up as spoiled kids and so forth. In that respect, I don’t know how this moment is that different from the early 20th century.


He may not have stated his thoughts very well, but I think he is correct in saying that historically immigrants bring with them a certain drive, or push, for the "American dream" that many non-immigrant Americans may not have.

If you're going to argue that, there's many non-immigrant Americans who do not have white skin who don't do a damn thing with their lives.

I can go drive thru East Oakland right now. Full of "Americans" doing nothing but standing on the corners smoking blunts all day with their pants halfway down their asses. He seemed to leave that part out though.
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posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 12:20 PM
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a reply to: MysticPearl

Sure.

I'm not standing up for what he said or how he said it. All I am doing is giving my take on what he said and what he meant.

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posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 12:24 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
I think you have to take everything he said in full-context:


You can make a case that America has been great because every—I think John Adams said this—basically if you’re a free society, a capitalist society, after two or three generations of hard work everyone becomes kind of decadent, lazy, spoiled—whatever. Then, luckily, you have these waves of people coming in from Italy, Ireland, Russia, and now Mexico, who really want to work hard and really want to succeed and really want their kids to live better lives than them and aren’t sort of clipping coupons or hoping that they can hang on and meanwhile grew up as spoiled kids and so forth. In that respect, I don’t know how this moment is that different from the early 20th century.


He may not have stated his thoughts very well, but I think he is correct in saying that historically immigrants bring with them a certain drive, or push, for the "American dream" that many non-immigrant Americans may not have.


Its bullshet honestly. America works like the cable company only the new subscribers get the good deals. The rest of us old subscribers pay for these new deals and the hard work our ancestors put into the country is used to pull in these new subscribers. The united states of america doesn't even care if the new subscriber is a customer or someone using a black box to get their channels its all good. Our government is realistically at 25 to 30 percent unemployment yet issues work visa for foriegners while ignoring its students who have a degree in the field because they can pay foriegners less money to do the job. Our government doesnt give a damn about illegal immigrants because it drives the workforces wages down housing cost up and puts business at an advantage when dealing with employees. Face the facts our government didn't care about its existing citizens until recently. Its been 240 years and yet we are still a land of immigrants? Really whats the point of fighting our governments wars, paying its taxes, and starting a family here? What are your loyal customers getting out of the deal? To the left we are lazy entitled brats. This is why the left is dieing a slow death



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 12:33 PM
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He's upset white working class americans won't pick fruit at wages that still place them in poverty.

He could offer solutions, instead he wants real wages to continue to fall and regulations to continue to cripple small business creation.
or he could offer solutions to public schooling which sold all those white working class youth the lie of college, making them debt serfs.
republicans will eject him soon, hopefully he takes evan mcmuffin with him.

Watching the republican establishment throw itself on a sword is awesome. Please continue bill kristol, help your friend karl rove onto his sword as well.
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posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: DePlOrAbLeAmErIcAn

If people can't / are too afraid to ask the same questions of other races, they shouldn't be asking them of Whites.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 12:41 PM
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a reply to: MysticPearl

I loved it simply because it turned a well known racist stereotype on its head. Like all stereotypes it s a massive oversimplification. I see a lot of white people have been outraged.

Did I point out that that I am a hardworking and educated black man????



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 12:48 PM
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a reply to: starwarsisreal

Kristol is not "White" in the sense you mean. He is a Jewish neocon that hates Western gentiles and is a paid shill of Soros. His goal is genocide and the destruction of nation states.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 12:53 PM
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a reply to: loam

YEP !!! HE'S RIGHT !!!

I guess I'm just guilty of emmulating some of the rich fat cat magazine writers I have been seeing on television.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 01:49 PM
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a reply to: Tiger5

There's hard working people of all races/backgrounds and lazy failures from all races and backgrounds.

I'm just pretty sick and tired of some always injecting race into it.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 01:51 PM
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Bill Kristol reveals two things:

1. Why we have Presdient Trump (Kristol was #NeverTrump)

2. A new way to say "jobs Americans won't do" as an argument for immigration

He's an idiot, and if there are those who are too fat and happy on the welfare state ... cut. it. off! They'll work or they won't eat.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: MysticPearl

OK you are possibly race neutral (i.e. not racist). However you must have noticed that there are many racists around. The most vocal occupy places where their voices can be heard like here on ATS. I have been here long enough to know that most of these goons are white. Just look at some of the posts in this thread. There are a lot of dog whistle codes being used.

I get NO PLEASURE from calling out racists because at some stage we who work for a living will have to work together to build a fairer society where everyone works for the common good. I get no pleasure from hearing of the decimation of jobs in our country.


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posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 02:58 PM
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originally posted by: Tiger5
a reply to: MysticPearl

I loved it simply because it turned a well known racist stereotype on its head. Like all stereotypes it s a massive oversimplification. I see a lot of white people have been outraged.

Did I point out that that I am a hardworking and educated black man????



it`s great that you are enjoying the tit for tat racism but exactly how is this helping to create unity and tolerance?
if we aren`t actually going to work for tolerance and unity then we should the drop the charade of saying that we are.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 02:59 PM
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a reply to: MysticPearl

how will they create intolerance and divisiveness if they don`t inject race into it?



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 03:02 PM
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a reply to: loam

Look, kids, a marginalized RINO in it's native habitat... regurgitating it's own crap for it's offspring to feast on!

I said this months ago, the Trump administration needs to conduct America's own Night of the Long Knives and cleanse these worthless frauds from the GOP once and for all.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 04:05 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: loam

As I said, he did not state it very well, but I believe he was talking about the "hunger" immigrants can have when they come to this country.


originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: introvert
He may not have stated his thoughts very well, but I think he is correct in saying that historically immigrants bring with them a certain drive, or push, for the "American dream" that many non-immigrant Americans may not have.


Historically is the key word there. That problem is that it's not that way anymore.


What makes you say that? I deal with immigrants daily and I see that motivation consistently.


The majority of immigrants want to be good Americans and work and send money to their less fortunate families! They will often embrace the worst paid jobs until better comes.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 04:37 PM
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a reply to: Tiger5

... and wave the flags of their native countries while they burn ours.


It was interesting. I was at a 4th of July celebration last summer that was open to the public. I saw all types there. I saw blacks, whites, Asians from the far east to the near east.

There was one ethnic group that was pretty conspicuous in its near total absence.



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 06:52 PM
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a reply to: RomeByFire

You mean "Mr. Outsider/Non-establishment"? This right after He Durp boasted about 'giving millions to different politicians' Durp this to Me screams "Outsider" and when other Durp Ri¢hie$ come calling w/their checkbooks I'm certain Herr Drumpf will tell them to go away and take proper channels...

You ever wonder what happens to lil Ri¢hie$ when they grow up? Durp...



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 06:58 PM
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A little more about American Renaissance, the publishers of the video in the OP.


American Renaissance (AR or AmRen) is a monthly online magazine described as a white supremacist publication by several sources, including The Washington Post, Fortune, and the Anti-Defamation League.[1][2][3][4] It is published by the New Century Foundation, which describes itself as a "race-realist, white advocacy organization".


Wikipedia



posted on Feb, 9 2017 @ 07:46 PM
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a reply to: muse7

The source of the OP video link chosen changes the fact Kristol is an ass hats and his comments are traitorous to conservatism how, exactly?



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