Nazi aircraft

Ever since i joined this site i have been looking for a small pocket book that i had as a child, most of the aircraft show within it were conventional things like spitfires, hurricanes and me109's ect but on some of the last pages at the back there was some of the more wacky aircraft developed at the end of WW2 these included things like a flying wing with a pair of prop engines facing out of the rear to "push" the aircraft along there was also one small image of a disk shaped aircraft with a Nazi paint job iirc the book didn't mention much about it just pretty much the company that made it, i can't remember which it was (it's been over twenty years) but i'm sure it was one of the larger companies i.e. Hienkel/ mesershmitd? (sp) unfortunately it looks like i have lost the book during one of the many house moves since childhood so i will have to start trawling the libraries and second hand book stalls to see if i can find a copy

Some of the remarks made in this particular blog about German designed and built "saucers" are hardly surprising. There have been many references on this site to the Nikola Tesla (Otis Carr, et al) connection to German built machines. There is some evidence (see Stevens' Nazi UFO's and so forth) that German representatives met with Tesla in the mid thirties particularly with regard to his work in electro magnetic (propulsion), electricity, anti-gravatics and so on. If the US Army thought he was insane, the open mindedness of others tends to come back and bite you on the butt.

Tesla's advanced work in the realm of electrical engineering should not really come as a shock to anyone. It is the twentieth-first century after all. Tesla's work is nineteenth century vintage (in many cases - if you look at the patents). As for saucers (Rund Flugzeug) - FORM FOLLOWS FUNCTION and the counter rotating circular pattern field propulsion drive layout is only logical.

Sorry if I'm being a bit thick but I don't get what you are saying?

Are you trying to say that because of Tesla's work and because form follows function then the Germans did have operational flying saucers in the 1930's and 40's? I don't see how that follows at all?

If I have misunderstood your point the I apologise.

waynos

I merely meant that the shape of "saucers" is the result of the round layout of the field propulsion systems.

conviniently these links cannot be found on my computer anymore, despite these aircrafts ages it still seems someone doesnt want us to see them.

www.luft46.com is a great source for "what if" Nazi aircraft.


Off topic; I can't seem too find the "Created Thread" button? how do I make a thread on ATS?.

Originally posted by templar8
waynos

I merely meant that the shape of "saucers" is the result of the round layout of the field propulsion systems.

ah yes, i see, sorry for being dim

I'm interested in the German Aggregate Series rockets. The A9/A10 was designed to be the first intercontinental balistic missile, the A12 was designed to transport cargo into space. If Hitler hadn't started WW2, Germany probably would have put the first man into space in 1949, and landed on the moon in 1959.

Not necessarily by those dates, as the war unquestionably drove developments forward by several years, but they are still interesting what ifs.

What would the world have been like without WW2? No huge arms building programme in support of all the allies to build up America and no war debts to cripple Britain plus of course an intact German aerospace industry, might all of this given us a genuine 'Space Race' during the 1950's in which the USA and Russia also had the UK and Germany to contend with? A fascinating concept.

The Karl Schappeller Device

Back to the chapter index

See Atomic Saucers

The TT Brown capacitor charging over looks the static creating power of
the open ended flat coil. Check out Tesla's analysis of the van de Graaff
generator and asks why not do it my way, electrically.

With plenty of charges being available making them positive is a snap
if you pulse off the electrons.

Assuming all this technology was ready and waiting in the age of X rays
or before, the application to the FOO might be apparent.

The FOO page

The first huge flying orange ball that interrupted radar.

We see them all the time now when they get struck in the Bronx.
Bronx UFOs

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Tesla dealt with the electro static properties of air and vacuum
such that coil circuits made alternating currents in the air or
evacuated bulbs. An evacuated bulb glowed brighter than a lesser
sealed bulb. Was the alternating electricity around the bulb doing it
or was the inside static ac hitting glass atoms making the glow.

Tesla started before 1900 with coils because of their ether control.
The Ether 'gas' is perhaps electrically neutral particles that react
to a magnet and we see iron filings following their force field.

Gravity holds the iron filings on the paper but magnetic force
shapes them into the force field.

Between loops of high voltage but low current, Tesla made
one foot of 2 inch streamers. Made an airless bulb glow.
The ether gas is shook back and forth causing illumination.

So an Aether theory link:
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Gravity well from positive charge:
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
Shown in this image:
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

The FBI took Tesla's labs and documents and later gave back many
to his museum but hardly hinted at what developed from many
of 500 patents removed from the public record.

So this gives us the chance to speculate on what might have happened.

The Tesla devices in the UFO saucer makes charges with the single
connection coil and a second dc pulse bulb type pumps electrons
in the direction of flight.
1944 FOO fighter report in papers
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Sparking away ever since, except nice and fancy if you look up
under the triangle as it flies bye overhead leaving is poisonous
trail.
The end of WWII was closing in and Tesla had to be dealt with as his
knowledge of the FOO flights would have launched a law suit proving
his design of the FOO, then saucer UFO and now triangle craft UFO.

Originally posted by waynos
Not necessarily by those dates, as the war unquestionably drove developments forward by several years, but they are still interesting what ifs.

Strangely, the war stopped or slowed alot of development in Germany.

Hitler's original plan was for the war to last 2/3 years, so only R&D that could be brought to fruition in that time was given priority.


If that decision had not been made, we could have seen the likes of the Me262 and the Mark XXI u-boat earlier, and maybe even seen the Ta183 and the Mark XVIII U-boat play active roles in the war.

Originally posted by waynos
might all of this given us a genuine 'Space Race' during the 1950's in which the USA and Russia also had the UK and Germany to contend with? A fascinating concept.

Germany would have won that by miles - both the Soviet and American ballistic missile (and later space) programs were backboned by the German rocket scientists.

It also appears, according to a book I read recently, that as late as 1938 Hitler promised his Generals and Admirals that there would not be a war until at least 1944, allowing Germany to build up sufficient strength to ensure success because he had been advised that an Invasion of Britain would be impossible to mount or support until that date at the earliest.

Had he stuck by that promise the the mind boggles at the conflict we would have faced.

I just browsed through Man Made UFOs by Vesco and Childress and
saw the statement about new submarines.

They are a lot lacking getting interesting follow up and too much filler
of everyone else's reports. Which are told to us by people not allowed to
tell everything.

The subs were called Electro U Boats and special missile platforms
were also made.
The numbers sound accurate but only a few at the end are thought
to have Tesla generators with liquid air fuel.

When you read the Tesla device didn't work,
I read enough books that do that, think opposite.
Duh, the steam operation was not successful.
Its the wrong operating fluid and all of Tesla's devices worked.
Look at the UFO for instance.

Tesla had monies coming and was not broke.
And perhaps did not die alone.

Originally posted by Cthulwho
The A9/A10 was designed to be the first intercontinental balistic missile, the A12 was designed to transport cargo into space. If Hitler hadn't started WW2, Germany probably would have put the first man into space in 1949, and landed on the moon in 1959.

- I am always amused by such sweeping speculative statements.

Don't people know (or do they just prefer to ignore) that, even with the most lavish funding and access to the finest minds and materials the two nations could provide, that both the USA & USSR took many years to perfect not only the rockets and unmanned satellites in orbit but also manned flight in space?

Does the fact that those (largely German) teams, after the war, took years to get it right not occur or matter in this speculation?

As seems to be the habit with WW2 German jet aircraft it would appear that the discipline of a properly tested & engineered craft (not forgetting the matter of full flight testing) is to be ignored.

The fact that X, Y or Z design got to mere wooden mock-up or scale-model in a wind-tunnel 'proves' they 'coulda, woulda, shoulda', it seems.

That's not exactly the track record of the aerospace industry anywhere else - even now - so how come Germany under the Nazis (a hugely wasteful & corrupted 'system' if ever there was) is supposed to be able to 'just' side-step all the problems and issues everyone else encounters, hmmmm?

Being so desperate as to open up to 'clean sheet' designs & subsequently conjuring up some interesting shapes (and, as we saw with the Me 262, accidentally stumbling upon certain advanced matters, like wing-sweep) is no substitute for properly run aircraft programs - or, for those who fantasise along the lines of 'if the war had lasted 1 or 2 years longer, for that matter an industrial base & a manufacturing capacity long since crippled & almost totally destroyed.

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The US space program was made possible by the Nazi scientists and their knowledge and experience with rocket tech. Simply put, the Americans could not have done it without the Nazi scientists they took back to the US after ww2.

Originally posted by Nightwalker
Jack Northrap (might be mispelled) was the reason Nazi Germany had such amazing planes. If memorey serves me correct. He developed the planes that resemble the B-2. After WW2 He came to america and developed the B-2 and many other aircraft with the Air Force.

We are very very lucky we're not all Nazi's. If Hitler wouldn't have messed up so many times we would all be forced to hail to the swastika. Either that or evolution would have started over due to nuclear holocaust. With Hitler as the new Adam.

Nightwalker

You mean the Gotha Go 229, or Horton IX as it's also known as.

Flew once, on second test run it crashed due to flameout, production was started, but no plane was finnished when the US overran the factory.

There is atleast 1 plane that is undergoing restauration/rebuild in the US, I do not know it's current state, last info I got is 5-6 years old.

Arment: there is alot of different versions, but there was to be one with 4 * 30mm canons, and one with only 2 * 30mm canons, but this was to be a new designed canon.

Linky to great site and pictures on the Gotha GO229 / Horton IX

www.nurflugel.com...


[edit on 9-9-2008 by Phoebus]

Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
Being so desperate as to open up to 'clean sheet' designs & subsequently conjuring up some interesting shapes (and, as we saw with the Me 262, accidentally stumbling upon certain advanced matters, like wing-sweep) is no substitute for properly run aircraft programs - or, for those who fantasise along the lines of 'if the war had lasted 1 or 2 years longer, for that matter an industrial base & a manufacturing capacity long since crippled & almost totally destroyed.

Sorry, but that is very very incorrect.


Alexander Lippisch fully identified the properties of wing sweep, and presented them in 1938 (I think) at the Volta conference.

Alot of the pioneering and most pivotal aerodynamicists, like Ludwig Prandtl, Lippisch and Adolf Busemann are German.

Yes he did Kilcoo, but that played no part in 262 design. It was just a cg fix but so many people hold it up as an example of advanced aerodynamics (though it was certainly more advanced than the Gloster Meteor). In reality the swept wings of the 262 were there for the same reason as the F-4 Phantoms upturned wingtips and downturned tail, ie the original design got it wrong.