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President Trump’s simplistic, illogical worldview, in one tweet

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posted on Feb, 7 2017 @ 08:36 AM
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a reply to: underwerks

Actually, you're reading it wrong. He's referring to polls only on border security and vetting. And He's correct. There is a long history of polling on these two issues that show very high support from every day Americans, now that it's happening, suddenly they're against it? I don't think so, it's just propaganda by the anti-trump media.

You would do well to try to consider all meanings as your filter is obviously preventing you from seeing the full context.

You're taking two sentences and whittling it down to one, but the second sentence clarifies what he's talking about.

"Any negative polls are fake news, just like the CNN, ABC, NBC polls in the election. Sorry, people want border security and extreme vetting."
The first sentence is overly broad, the next sentence narrows it down.
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posted on Feb, 7 2017 @ 12:19 PM
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I heard a talk radio show earlier with the PM of Australia. He was adamant that Trump had assured him he was committed to honouring the refugee agreement Obama had put in place. If true, he's publicly telling his base one thing and privately telling others something else. He also denied that Trump hung up on him which is something I found to be plausible.

Will see if I can find the link again.



posted on Feb, 7 2017 @ 01:19 PM
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We will see when the pedo ring gets adjudicated



posted on Feb, 7 2017 @ 02:08 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks

How do you rationalize this? Instantly believing anything negative about what you're doing is fake? The President having his own version of reality is a dangerous thing to me. If you believe it's ok, why? I'm genuinely curious why this would be ok with people.


Didn't you know that 1 out of 3 Trump supporters is just as stupid as the other two?

Once you accept that fact, it's easy to see how they rationalize the totally absurd.



posted on Feb, 7 2017 @ 02:33 PM
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DYLAN and I love



posted on Feb, 7 2017 @ 03:20 PM
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originally posted by: BlackProject
Most news channels like CNN and FOX NEWS are false, backed by billionaires and paid to sell their version of the truth. If you think this does not happen then you really are shoving your head in the sand. It DOES happen, people are LIED to be the NEWS. This is fact and finally their is someone in power, which is the reason Trump is so proud to be where he is because now he finally has the platform to show the world how corrupt and bent the news is.


A couple of points here:


  • If Fox News is false news why does Trump repeatedly praise them? Here are just a few tweets that back up this point.


    Jan 24, 2017 09:16:19 PM Congratulations to @FoxNews for being number one in inauguration ratings. They were many times higher than FAKE NEWS @CNN - public is smart!



    Oct 4, 2016 07:12:59 PM Wow, @CNN is so negative. Their panel is a joke, biased and very dumb. I'm turning to @FoxNews where we get a fair shake! Mike will do great



    Jul 26, 2016 07:34:19 AM Funny, if you listen to @FoxNews, the Democrats did not have a good day. If you listen to the other two, they are fawning. What a difference


    All of the American display biases either to the left or right depending on the audience they wish to attract. MSNBC is toward the left, Fox is toward the right, etc. Being objective means listening to each opposing view and making an informed decision. The problem with Trump is that he has firmly sided with the view that anything which opposes his world view is fake. The President of the United States cannot say "Nuh-uh, thats fake" every time something is published which doesn't flatter his ego.

  • You state your concern for the news organizations lying to the American people (Which you have provided 0 proof) but you have no problem with the President of the United States flatly lying? He lied to the American people about his inauguration size and about 3 million illegal voters, just to name two.




originally posted by: BlackProject
You can thank all those that voted him in for saving America in 5 years, right now keep jumping on the very easy bandwagon like every other lefty. If Hilary would have got in, you would have seen world war 3 fact as she was ready to go to war and to war because of her backers wanting to see the world burn. George Soros being one of them.


Remember what Socrates said about name-calling.


When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.


With that said, let's refrain from calling each other lefty, fascist, socialist. commie, etc. and focus on the issues.

What evidence do you have to suggest Hillary would have caused WW3? What reason do you have to believe that Trump will not?



posted on Feb, 7 2017 @ 06:20 PM
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originally posted by: BlackProject

originally posted by: underwerks
"Any negative polls are fake news" -Donald Trump

Does anything else really have to be said? Or can we agree that this man's take on reality when it's something he doesn't agree with isn't reality at all.


President Trump has finally admitted to his overarching theory about which polls are right and which ones are wrong. And it's very simple: Polls that are bad for Trump = wrong This isn't much of a surprise; Trump has been bashing any poll that is bad for him and praising any poll that is good for him — no matter how dubious the quality — for as long as he's been a politician. But few politicians would cop to this approach so directly.



"Any negative polls are fake news." This is Trump signaling to his supporters that they are to dismiss any bad news about him. Never mind the methodology of a given poll or how Trump is actually doing as president; if something is negative, it has to be wrong. This is at once a completely Trump worldview and also one that would get any student taking Statistics 101 a failing grade. Trump insists in his next tweet that he relies on the “accumulation of data” to make his decisions, but in this tweet, he is expressing contempt for any data that don't fit his preconceived notions or desires.



But his approach just has no basis in logic. It's almost alogical, rather than illogical. It's also allowing for Trump to do basically anything and claim a vast conspiracy against him by pollsters when they show people don't like it. Unemployment could skyrocket and Trump could start World War III by accident, and the polls showing him unpopular would just be “fake news.” There is no limit to the power Trump is attempting to assert when it comes to leading his base.

www.washingtonpost.com... s

How do you rationalize this? Instantly believing anything negative about what you're doing is fake? The President having his own version of reality is a dangerous thing to me. If you believe it's ok, why? I'm genuinely curious why this would be ok with people.


If Hilary would have got in, you would have seen world war 3 fact as she was ready to go to war and to war because of her backers wanting to see the world burn. George Soros being one of them.


WW3? Fact? Her backers wanted to see the world burn? Soros being one of them? This is an insane level of delusion...
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posted on Feb, 7 2017 @ 11:12 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: underwerks

He's not wrong in the context in which he made this statement. The majority of Americans want our borders secure and support the immigration moratorium.


What exactly is your basis for alleging the majority want an immigration ban? If three million more people voted for Hillary, that would seem to be an indication that the majority was not interested in Trump's philosophies and plans.



posted on Feb, 7 2017 @ 11:16 PM
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originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: Stevenjames15

You're assertions need more explaining.

First of all, Hillary won the popular vote because of California. If you exclude California from the equation then Trump won the popular vote.


Why don't you just exclude all States that voted for Hillary so that Trump can have a landslide? Since you're reshaping reality using the power of your mind, why not go all the way? Maybe just include the states that fought for the South in the civil war.



posted on Feb, 7 2017 @ 11:21 PM
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originally posted by: neo96


Any negative polls are fake news, just like the CNN, ABC, NBC polls in the election. Sorry, people want border security and extreme vetting.


If the majority did not want this Trump would have never been elected.

He said he was going to do this.

So any negative polls will be fake.


Putting aside that he lost the popular vote, your statement seems to indicate that no one who voted for him is able or allowed to change their minds post-election. I would surmise he got a lot of votes from people who felt that Hillary unfairly squeezed out Sanders. People can choose to vote for someone in protest of their preferred candidate losing in the primaries. That doesn't seem to be an overly complex concept to grasp.



posted on Feb, 7 2017 @ 11:49 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

Hillary Clinton has a 99% chance of winning, it is mathematically impossible for Trump to get to 270.

It is fake news.

Did you just begin your journey into truth seeking? It's okay if you are, but I would advise that you start to realize that you are reading state sponsored propaganda, hand delivered from the worlds largest drug dealers - the CIA.



posted on Feb, 7 2017 @ 11:54 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

He isn't wrong though. Every negative poll against Trump has been fabricated or influenced to come out that way, because the people doing the polls hate his guts.

But Trump haters everywhere sponge it all up as if it is a medicine to make their butt hurt go away.


Oh, there was a Rasmussen poll that said: 47% of Americans Say Country Headed in Right Direction, Highest Optimism in 12 Years. Maybe some polls are right.

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posted on Feb, 8 2017 @ 12:57 AM
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People are such fools. Of course Trump is going to be biased against anything that paints him in a bad light. Difference between him and previous Presidents, they typically had the tact to not comment. Or realize it's actually impossible to be liked by everyone.

Trump is like a teen on social media. It's kind of funny really. But people oddly buy into it. I'll give it a year or so, see where this actually ends up. So far, I think he is doing exactly what I expected. Not necessarily something to hang your hat on however.



posted on Feb, 8 2017 @ 02:51 AM
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yo is it too much to ask to get some reading comprehension up in here?
the tweet says, literally says in black and white, ANY negative polls are fake news.
he then goes on to compare - the election polls, those were negative, and have been labelled fake news.
he's laying out a template here.
a lot of you are saying it's in the context of the immigration business and sure, it may have been bought on by that, in the sense that everything is caused by something, but there is nothing at all there to endow it with that context. it's not part of a tweet chain about immigration. it doesn't mention immigration.
all it says, and says very plainly, is that negative polls are fake news.
interesting to see five pages of scrambling and deflection and blame about it.



posted on Feb, 8 2017 @ 03:14 AM
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originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: BlackProject

originally posted by: underwerks
"Any negative polls are fake news" -Donald Trump

Does anything else really have to be said? Or can we agree that this man's take on reality when it's something he doesn't agree with isn't reality at all.


President Trump has finally admitted to his overarching theory about which polls are right and which ones are wrong. And it's very simple: Polls that are bad for Trump = wrong This isn't much of a surprise; Trump has been bashing any poll that is bad for him and praising any poll that is good for him — no matter how dubious the quality — for as long as he's been a politician. But few politicians would cop to this approach so directly.



"Any negative polls are fake news." This is Trump signaling to his supporters that they are to dismiss any bad news about him. Never mind the methodology of a given poll or how Trump is actually doing as president; if something is negative, it has to be wrong. This is at once a completely Trump worldview and also one that would get any student taking Statistics 101 a failing grade. Trump insists in his next tweet that he relies on the “accumulation of data” to make his decisions, but in this tweet, he is expressing contempt for any data that don't fit his preconceived notions or desires.



But his approach just has no basis in logic. It's almost alogical, rather than illogical. It's also allowing for Trump to do basically anything and claim a vast conspiracy against him by pollsters when they show people don't like it. Unemployment could skyrocket and Trump could start World War III by accident, and the polls showing him unpopular would just be “fake news.” There is no limit to the power Trump is attempting to assert when it comes to leading his base.

www.washingtonpost.com... s

How do you rationalize this? Instantly believing anything negative about what you're doing is fake? The President having his own version of reality is a dangerous thing to me. If you believe it's ok, why? I'm genuinely curious why this would be ok with people.


If Hilary would have got in, you would have seen world war 3 fact as she was ready to go to war and to war because of her backers wanting to see the world burn. George Soros being one of them.


WW3? Fact? Her backers wanted to see the world burn? Soros being one of them? This is an insane level of delusion...


Well why did Hillary want to shoot down Russian and Syrian aircraft defending Syria from terrorists then?

At best she just wanted to support Islamists who think it's acceptable to rape children and then behead them. Burn down Mosques and Churches that disagree with their twisted religious sect, and gas ethnic minorities. They also want to kill you too, by the way.

At worst she wanted to provoke a shooting war with Russia. That ends badly for pretty much everyone, by the way.

So which is it?

I have literally met 5-6 people who thought her stupid no fly zone was a good idea, with the majority of her supporters opposing it because surprise surprise, they don't want to die in a nuclear holocaust
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posted on Feb, 8 2017 @ 08:15 AM
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a reply to: underwerks

Polls are not entirely accurate; the surveyors only take a few thousand surveys and then extrapolate and if 400 people out of a 1000 don't like Trump it turns into "40 percent of Americans don't like Trump."

But that doesn't explain his behavior or the behavior of some of his die hard fans who mash on the keyboard and throw an adult version of a baby tantrum. Yes you can stick your fingers in your ears and chant 'la la la' until the cows come home but it doesn't change the fact that the rest of the world is mocking him and his supporters.



posted on Feb, 8 2017 @ 10:47 AM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: underwerks

He's not wrong in the context in which he made this statement. The majority of Americans want our borders secure and support the immigration moratorium.


The majority of Americans support the immigration moratorium? Where are you getting that data from? A poll?"



posted on Feb, 8 2017 @ 11:06 AM
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a reply to: underwerks

Nice try buddy. Only took one response from enlightenedservant to make you prove your own point. You've been duped by the very thing trump spoke of. Oh, and a quick google search of his tweet brought up a jpeg quite quickly. Nice try again.



posted on Feb, 8 2017 @ 10:49 PM
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originally posted by: continuousThunder
yo is it too much to ask to get some reading comprehension up in here?
the tweet says, literally says in black and white, ANY negative polls are fake news.
he then goes on to compare - the election polls, those were negative, and have been labelled fake news.
he's laying out a template here.
a lot of you are saying it's in the context of the immigration business and sure, it may have been bought on by that, in the sense that everything is caused by something, but there is nothing at all there to endow it with that context. it's not part of a tweet chain about immigration. it doesn't mention immigration.
all it says, and says very plainly, is that negative polls are fake news.
interesting to see five pages of scrambling and deflection and blame about it.


Ah maybe you are right. The MSM hasn't lied about Trump. They don't make up false and misleading stories about him for the past year every day multiple times, even when they get caught which is 99% of the time. Everyone has lost count. But it must all be true right? Anyone supporting a story from the MSM right now in any capacity, even if the story is actually true is a fool, because they are supporting an entity that constantly lies and fabricates news. This only promotes an eventual anarchy in what we are exposed to in the news, and that will lead to something much worse. The real name for it is self destruction.


Any negative thing is fake? Which ones haven't been negative? The MSM has ZERO credibility and zero morality in news reporting therefore, anything they say should by definition and common sense be deemed FAKE. They can never return to the truth for anyone, whether you are democrat or republican or any other party.
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posted on Feb, 10 2017 @ 02:08 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
It is clear he is talking about the negative polls in regards to his immigration ban, which is emphasized by his next sentence. And yes, the polls during the election were dead wrong.


Polls aren't predictions. Polls are reflections of the people who filled them out and therefore can never be wrong because they are simply people's beliefs and opinions. Pollsters can attempt to use poll data to make a projection based on sampling size and demographics. This requires having some knowledge of the demographic in advance of the polling, along with questions to properly identify the different groups to ensure there is proportionate representation. Assuming of course we are not talking about some garbage online poll that can be easily stuffed with a bot. If that is what Trump meant, he is right. Online polls are nonsense.

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