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posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 05:27 AM
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This will be short. When I red this...I was a bit taken aback. Though I like Donald, I want holding my breath on some of the issues close to me.


Blaze


O’Reilly: “Do you respect Putin?” Trump: “I do respect him. O’Reilly: “Do you? Why?” Trump: “I respect a lot of people, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to get along with them. He’s a leader of his country. I say it’s better to get along with Russian than not. And if Russia helps us in the fight against ISIS…and Islamic terrorism all over the world…major fight. That’s a good thing. Will I get along with him? I have no idea. O’Reilly: “He’s a killer, though…Putin’s a killer.” Trump: “We got a lot of killers. What, you think our country’s so innocent?”



let me repeat the important part...


O’Reilly: “He’s a killer, though…Putin’s a killer.” Trump: “We got a lot of killers. What, you think our country’s so innocent?


Hail Mary...somebody finally said it. The holier than though US of A.

Thank you Donnie for this historic moment.

Setting things to TRUE instead of fuzzy warm feelings of moral superiority.


* Of course...nobody will probably consider this historic...so move where appropriate.




posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 05:29 AM
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a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Well done for Trump saying it


Be a dick but dont pretend your # dont stink like past presidents.



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 05:37 AM
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Donald Trump has never been shy about pointing out the problems with our country or government.
The only way to fix things is to first admit what is wrong.

But this was indeed a big one.
Admitting that the US is not innocent of murder and violence is huge.
Notice that he does not apologize for it, but states it as fact.
Sometimes it was necessary, if in self defense.
But it shows that Trump does not take it lightly, and I doubt that he will hide behind moral superiority to justify violence against other countries.
And it shows that he is not going to hold other countries to a different standard.

He is also correct about saying that he admires Putin.
If there is any chance of us being at peace with Russia, there has to at least be mutual respect.
As Trump said, that does not mean that we have to agree with him.
If Trump had started bashing Putin, there is no way that Putin would take us seriously for the next 4 to 8 years.



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 05:40 AM
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He is just saying what any half decently informed person already knows, Liberals will shout loudly about every move Trumps makes whilst refusing to call out previous wrongs because it does not align with their rhetoric...


Time to grow a pair kids and come into the real world, good on Mr T for making that statement.....




RA



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 05:49 AM
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I can't wait to hear the Liberal's opinion of this. Obama was bombing the living sh** out of people for years, but now it's somehow different when Trump admits our hands are not clean.

Oh, wait, I'll bet it's just more evidence he's in bed with the Russians, right?



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 05:50 AM
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a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

I guess all I can say to this Mario, from an outsiders perspective these last couple of months, reading the BS on these boards,

FREE SPEECH!!!!

Kind regards,

bally



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 06:05 AM
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originally posted by: DAVID64
I can't wait to hear the Liberal's opinion of this. Obama was bombing the living sh** out of people for years, but now it's somehow different when Trump admits our hands are not clean.

Oh, wait, I'll bet it's just more evidence he's in bed with the Russians, right?


I'm not sure that's the point the interviewer was making. Putin and the Russian government has been heavily implicated in the murder of other politicians and journalists that oppose him and his regime. Not implicated in an ATS way a la Hilary Clinton, but as with actual evidence that really exists, not just in a conspiracy theorists imagination.

That's not really the same as killing in military conflict, are you suggesting that Americans are so completely and utterly stupid that they didn't know people died when America invaded them?



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 06:14 AM
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originally posted by: DAVID64
I can't wait to hear the Liberal's opinion of this. Obama was bombing the living sh** out of people for years, but now it's somehow different when Trump admits our hands are not clean.

Oh, wait, I'll bet it's just more evidence he's in bed with the Russians, right?


The real kicker: Obama can bomb the everloving hell out of 7 separate Muslim nations. But Trump can't limit immigration from those same 7 nations.

Killing Muslims < Not allow Muslim immigration.

How the hell does that even make any sense? We will protest not allowing them to immigrate, but were completely silent when we blew up their house their grandparents were sleeping in?



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 06:17 AM
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a reply to: MarioOnTheFly




Hail Mary...somebody finally said it. The holier than though US of A.


You may want to take a look at what was going on in 2009. Early in his first term, Obama was lambasted for a so-called "apology tour" because he made comments like the following:

"We sometimes make mistakes. We have not been perfect."

"While the United States has done much to promote peace and prosperity in the hemisphere, we have at times been disengaged, and at times we sought to dictate our terms."

Eessentially what Trump did was equate American Presidents with Putin and that's ridiculous.

EDIT:

Here you go. This is from an op-ed in the NY Post by John Bolton from last May:


In Europe, saved three times by America in the last century, Obama apologized because “there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.” And in this hemisphere, Obama said, “We have at times been disengaged, and at times we sought to dictate our terms,” culminating in his recent fawning visits with the Castros in Cuba.

The list goes on and on.

edit on 2017-2-6 by theantediluvian because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 06:21 AM
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originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: DAVID64
I can't wait to hear the Liberal's opinion of this. Obama was bombing the living sh** out of people for years, but now it's somehow different when Trump admits our hands are not clean.

Oh, wait, I'll bet it's just more evidence he's in bed with the Russians, right?


I'm not sure that's the point the interviewer was making. Putin and the Russian government has been heavily implicated in the murder of other politicians and journalists that oppose him and his regime. Not implicated in an ATS way a la Hilary Clinton, but as with actual evidence that really exists, not just in a conspiracy theorists imagination.

That's not really the same as killing in military conflict, are you suggesting that Americans are so completely and utterly stupid that they didn't know people died when America invaded them?


Just for clarity, are you saying that it is better for government officials to hide their actions rather than be up front about them? I would rather know exactly where my leader stands(even if I don't agree). It is quite obvious that with so many accusations(and some facts) that our country's leaders have engaged in nefarious dealings. The fact that they deny it rigorously shows(me at least) that they have something to hide, be it accusations against them or the reasoning behind such actions being flawed.



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 06:25 AM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: DAVID64
I can't wait to hear the Liberal's opinion of this. Obama was bombing the living sh** out of people for years, but now it's somehow different when Trump admits our hands are not clean.

Oh, wait, I'll bet it's just more evidence he's in bed with the Russians, right?


The real kicker: Obama can bomb the everloving hell out of 7 separate Muslim nations. But Trump can't limit immigration from those same 7 nations.

Killing Muslims < Not allow Muslim immigration.

How the hell does that even make any sense? We will protest not allowing them to immigrate, but were completely silent when we blew up their house their grandparents were sleeping in?


Yeah, says a lot doesn't it.

But what sensible people think, they generally keep to themselves. They won't protest or riot. Sensible people just want to get on with their lives.

Tragic that those with no sense and act with stupidity are recognized ad applauded.

Strange, yeah, nah.

kind regards,

bally



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 07:11 AM
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originally posted by: brutus61

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: DAVID64
I can't wait to hear the Liberal's opinion of this. Obama was bombing the living sh** out of people for years, but now it's somehow different when Trump admits our hands are not clean.

Oh, wait, I'll bet it's just more evidence he's in bed with the Russians, right?


I'm not sure that's the point the interviewer was making. Putin and the Russian government has been heavily implicated in the murder of other politicians and journalists that oppose him and his regime. Not implicated in an ATS way a la Hilary Clinton, but as with actual evidence that really exists, not just in a conspiracy theorists imagination.

That's not really the same as killing in military conflict, are you suggesting that Americans are so completely and utterly stupid that they didn't know people died when America invaded them?


Just for clarity, are you saying that it is better for government officials to hide their actions rather than be up front about them? I would rather know exactly where my leader stands(even if I don't agree). It is quite obvious that with so many accusations(and some facts) that our country's leaders have engaged in nefarious dealings. The fact that they deny it rigorously shows(me at least) that they have something to hide, be it accusations against them or the reasoning behind such actions being flawed.


Me personally? If a president has had political opponents or journalists critical of their presidency murdered then yes, it would be nice if they were upfront and said "I had people who opposed me either politically or in the media murdered". Not quite sure how long they would be at liberty after saying it, but at least they would be being honest.



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 07:12 AM
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What did O’Reilly mean by Putin is a killer? How so?



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 07:14 AM
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Trump took the red pill.

ALS



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 07:16 AM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

But then he went on to overthrow the Govts of Egypt, Libya and tried with Syria.

Then attempted to influence the UKs brexit vote.

So all that shows is that Obama is a hypocritical asshole.



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 08:02 AM
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originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: theantediluvian

But then he went on to overthrow the Govts of Egypt, Libya and tried with Syria.

Then attempted to influence the UKs brexit vote.

So all that shows is that Obama is a hypocritical asshole.


That may well be the case — I'm not arguing anything about that either way — but my point was that Trump is not the first sitting American President to admit fault on behalf of the United States government. Was I wrong?



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 08:55 AM
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a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

Obama has been on an apology tour for the last eight years, the hell you mean "somebody finally said it?"
edit on 6-2-2017 by Shamrock6 because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 08:59 AM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: theantediluvian

But then he went on to overthrow the Govts of Egypt, Libya and tried with Syria.

Then attempted to influence the UKs brexit vote.

So all that shows is that Obama is a hypocritical asshole.


That may well be the case — I'm not arguing anything about that either way — but my point was that Trump is not the first sitting American President to admit fault on behalf of the United States government. Was I wrong?


We're apparently getting our annual agreement out of the way early this year: Trump isn't the first president to admit the US isn't perfect.

And Trump hasn't had time to go off and be hypocritical after his admission of it, so the fact that Obama admitted it remains unchanged.

What remains to be seen is whether Trump will be hypocritical also.



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 10:59 AM
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a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

It may not be considered as history just yet, but damn did that need to be said.

If nothing else, he seems to be a plain talker and a realist--I just hope that it keeps up.



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 01:40 PM
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originally posted by: BlueAjah
Admitting that the US is not innocent of murder and violence is huge.

Personal to BlueAjah: I'm only quoting your post because it was the first time someone typed out what this thread sounded like.
 

What if it wasn't an admission? What if that was Trump's way of Throwing Down the Gauntlet?

Does anyone know what he _meant_?




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